ganoric

First - my position ... I am somewhere between atheist and agnostic - but don't think enough about it to want a label. I believe (good word to start with) that everything does not add up to zero. I think there is an instability in nothingness that can create a whole zoo of particles and antiparticles, and things with positive and negative charges, and gravitations, and energies, and forces that one fraction of a second after their creation from nothing, which, if you could immediately squeeeze them back into nothing, would be nothing, but it is too late, they now exist in their many forms and are no longer nothing, but a whole new universe of components, which continue to degrade and change and multiply and evolve even to this day. A particle and an antiparticle are not nothing, they are two wonderful components which continue to exist and become part of the development. I feel lucky to live in a Country which has a Prime Minister who is an atheist, a female, and is not married to her partner. I did not grow up with any of a zoo of religions as part of my cultural upbringing. I don't understand why humans need to create gods when the wonderful universe is there to create us and fill us with wonder. So the argument that it all adds up to zero is now wrong - it may have at one point in space / time, but it is too late, and is no longer. It may be possible to turn matter into energy, and energy back into matter, but that new matter is different to the original matter. It is like trying to unscramble an egg. And to take it further ... The posts have been about +1 and -1 being zero and this is often wrong (and sometimes right). Maths is a metaphor and a very useful tool. However ... +1 is one entity and -1 is another entity which gives us two entities. If we place +1 and -1 on a graph the distance between them is 2 If we take their average it is zero. If we perform a mathematic operation on them we also get zero (adding and subtracting). If we take them all together we have 5 entities, these being the +1, the -1, their addition which is 0, their average which is zero, and the distance between them which is 2. If we take all the numbers that together make zero we have an infinite number of entities. This is what can happen if we find an instability in zero.