illuusio

 

 

If someone thinks that all of these things can be explained within the 'known laws of Physics' please let us know how? I'm all ears.

Yep, it would impossible to explain those phenomenon you mentioned with 'known laws of physics'. But by changing the point of view you can explain those all.

I guess it's a shame that you tap-danced around the details when you had the chance to show it off, eh?

Not really. I was saved by the bell (iodine) You'll get the proof later. My theory works as you already know. There is very simple test do that, for example modified Cavendish experiment.

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Don't start, illuusio. If you start dragging in all of your closed threads into here, staff will close this one as well.

No I'm not. I just pointed out the right way

You didn't say it, but you strongly implied it.

 

The system seems to be working, as evidenced by all of the answers we've found which, of course, were previously unanswered. Given that track record of success, why is a course correction required?

I have a theory which explains all known anomalies in physics, that's why

Do you think the existence of problems in physics is a problem? If so, why?

I didn't say that they are problems. But what I mean is that we should make some re-thinking in order to resolve them.

The real power of science, in my opinion, is not that it can answer questions but rather that it can ask questions.

 

Every time some great discovery is made it is the flurry of questions that follow that generate the excitement.

I 100% agree

edit: Wow, my rep is getting bigger! You kids stop clicking that minus sign

That won't do.

You said I was ignoring what I see then you say I'm ignoring the evidence.

Well, what evidence am I ignoring?

It seems like you are seeing evidence I can't.

Tell us what it is.

You can't deny fringe movement with seen two extended MME, can you? What your eyes see? What you think other people see?

If you look at this list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsolved_problems_in_physics

What do you think of it? Another day in the office? More handwaving? More dimensions? More everything? Or is it time to stop and do some re-thinking? Or do we even care? Everyday life consumes us very effectively so why bother? I get my money constantly and things are pretty much in equilibrium why rock the boat? We can even give some blind eye to minor cosmetic errors in science.

As for the predictions: yes I know it makes them . You mentioned one: you say that the MME shouldn't work vertically.

But it does.

That's enough to falsify the theory once and for all.

Ok, so it seems that there won't be any fruits left for this conversations with you. You are ignoring evidence.

There's no theory there.

mmm... that's original Keep on rocking!

How long it took isn't the issue.

They looked, and they didn't find it.

It isn't there.

 

 

Re theory, take your pick

http://en.wikipedia....c_organizations

http://en.wikipedia....ries_in_physics

You don't believe your own eyes? Well, I can't beat that

If we speak of my theory, it surely does give predictions. I think that you haven't read the latest version.

OK, fair enough,

but Illuusio still doesn't have a theory.

Well, can you reveal your definition of a theory? I think that I do have a theory, but that's not the point. The point is MME measured horizontal ether wind and didn't find one. How in Earth it took that long before somebody tried it vertically?

You still don't have a theory.

And , while I'm not qualified to make such a diagnosis, I'm inclined to agree with the statement that you are delusional.

And another one Could you at least try to stick with the topic?

You don't have a theory. You have delusions.

LOL You ran out valid scientific arguments, nice. You can now roll on your back on the floor

OK, so the better the equipment used, the less well it gives the result that you predict. And you still think that's good for your "theroy"?

 

It's not an interesting graph. It's a bad attempt to distract attention from the issue .

If you have done an experiment please post it so we can actually comment on it.

We are not talking about my experiment here and I can't reveal it because of the patent issues. My theory doesn't have any exact predictions (at the moment) related to the extended MME so it's interesting to see how stable apparatus can be made and what is the fringe movements with it There will be movement, I put my money on that.

But that was not all I said.

 

You have not answered my comment on the core of this thread.

 

 

The part you have replied to is of no value, taken out of context as you have.

So what experiments you do mean? Any links?

Let me get this straight.

The better the equipment is, the less the fringes shift and so one can extrapolate to the idea where the kit is perfect and the firnges don't shift at all.

You think that's evidence that the fringe shift is real.

 

Do you want to think that through again?

If that extrapolate is your (scientific) method then I hope you think that through again

Problem is, you didn't do it.

How do you that they are right?

You're right because they are right. And they are right because you're right?!

I don't know if they are right and I don't have to. I have done my own experiment but that's not in focus now. But is MME measuring unmeasurable?

This is interesting graph! https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=theory%20of%20everything&date=today%203-m&cmpt=q

I wonder why...?

I think you should look in the mirror, or follow the biblical advice about the mote and the beam.

 

I say this from genuine concern about your health.

 

 

Since the original speed of light experiments there have been many alternative ones, including interplanetary ones, which have all yielded the same basic result.

I don't read bible so I don't know story of the mote and the beam. You have no need to be concerned for my health I'm respected member of Finnish society and living balanced life.

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Right then, how do you know that you're right?

Just because there is ether which effects extended MME (as we have seen now).

The MME is a very good way to test how flexible optical systems are.

The one with the fringe shift failed the test.

Nothing complicated- just poor equipment design gave a spurious result.

 

What would you expect from someone who also cites the idea that there are men on the moon, but NASA missed them?

So now you attack person behind the test? Well, I don't know anything about this person so I can't comment person per se.

Fringes shifted in that video of yours too. I think that there is more accurate tests available from the German guy.

Illuusio,

That is the experiment which inspired the video I linked to.

It has been shown to be flawed (by a better experiment with a more rigid optical system).

Why did you post it?

Mmm.. there was very clear shifting of interference pattern during rotation. Magnitude differs due to equipment, chears!

I'm busy at the moment but you can check this out. I found it with fast googling http://blog.hasslberger.com/2009/09/extended_michelsonmorley_inter.html#more

It's party time! for me, literally!

How much would it affect it if it would affect it? Any calculations? Angles perhaps? GR predicted an angle of deviation. What about yours?

 

I'm guessing you've done the MM experiment vertically?...

Beats me! I haven't done any calculations. And no MME done either.

There you go, you have a little theory, how nice. You see, you have not shown one problem with what I propose but since you have your own theory I can not be right. How child-like sweet. Don't make me babysit you. Answer the question, why is time a forward process ? What is the mechanism that increases overall entropy over time? Stop the cop out answers... If you do not know, that is okay..

I'll leave these issue for you to resolve. I don't have any answers to your questions, none, zero, ... You WIN

Lock in needs sorting out.

But it occurs for known reasons which are nothing to do with ether flow.

If you think that the MME would be different if it were not horizontal, why not actually do an experiment rather than posting unsupported guesswork?

Lock in is for my knowledge somewhat open issue. Main factor is scattering but the rest is up in the air (literally)

I discuss about the matter of "error" with MME Topic of this thread. Other people do the tests sooner or later.

 

 

Re "lock in": even wiki knows how to deal with it, so I don't think the manufacturers and users have a problem with it.

"RLGs, while more accurate than mechanical gyroscopes, suffer from an effect known as "lock-in" at very slow rotation rates. ...

Forced dithering can largely overcome this problem. ... Dither does not fix the lock-in problem completely, ... In a technically more complicated solution the gyro assembly is not rotated back and forth, but in one direction only at a constant angular rate.

And, as I said and Iluusio couldn't explain away, if it were an issue it would apply in 1 plane, but not the others. That's not what happens.

 

In any event it still shows that the same principles that ensure the the MME works would also work in all 3 dimensions.

So whatever direction the ether flowed, it would show up in RLG operations.

It does not.

So Illuusio's ideas don't agree with the facts and it is not because the facts have made a mistake.

Lock in needs measures taken that's my point! They don't function properly otherwise. Ether flow might be one factor in case of lock in, other is scattering. We must remember that ether effects very very little to photons in small lenght used in RLGs.

MME would give some nice results if apparatus isn't horizontally set up

Are you proud of your behavior? Imagine one of us is a crank but the other correct? How does that reflect on you?

Better yet? What theory can incorporate every action in the universe? From forward time to dark energy to inflation to relative time to gravity to dark matter. I can explain each one, can you? It's that simple.... Let's include Rhe strength diffemce between the forces too? Before I explain let's hear your reasoning behind just one ... Forward time..

 

So since we are in speculation, speculate a better reason for forward time, I bet you can not... Remember time only moves in one direction but at varying rates abs remember the factors involved in those rates, density of mass. Relative speed, etc... I am waiting mr. Smart one. can you put up? I already know you can't, just want to see how you squirm.... Prove me wrong..

 

Another easy question;

"How does matter ``distort'' (render non-Euclidean) space-time?" give the exact mechanism...

Time is man made concept and from my opinion, not so important one.

Exact mechanism of how matter distorts "space-time" is described in my theory, you can read it from there. Current way of measuring time with atomic clocks is problematic (explained in the doc).

photon spin isn't really the same as the spinning of the earth, right? One is a quantum property but the latter is a mechanical motion.

I mean ether's effect on photon's path in general.

If the ether permeates all space, then do rockets flying upwards/diagonally experience wrong calculations in their laser gyroscope because of the vertical component of ether force?

Well... effect is naturally very small with photons (with used length in gyros), BUT those laser gyros actually are not so reliable. Gyros tend to lock-in (partially because of scattering).