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  1. I think I know what you mean, I tried to 'think' using the way you are describing, but it didn't work. Usually, I think and I hear my own voice in my head. Sometimes, I hear another voice narrating for me, sometimes it's the voice of Colin Farrell but I don't think I am Schizophrenic. lol
  2. Oh dear... Well, thank you for the links...
  3. I have a question regarding my hearing and I think this is on the right board. I remember hearing that someone who studied music theory said that if someone listens constantly to music or any other sound and always has that sound in the background that it can be as detrimental to your hearing as listening to loud music on occasion? Is this true and if so how can it be treated? I hope this topic made sense.
  4. I am truly disappointed that no one has any opposing views on the matter or was not able to debunk anything I posted, as I am still researchign this I think that concludes that six million Jews did not die and that it was all propaganda. In answer to your question LucidDreamer, no one is saying that it never happened, rather I am saying that did happen but not to the extent we think it did. At this point, the reader probably wants to know why an analysis that concludes that "gas chambers" did not exist in certain camps is suddenly discontinued as soon as, for example, Auschwitz is discussed. Why, on one hand, is the critical spirit awakened, and then, on the other hand, is it allowed to collapse into lethargy? After all, as far as the "gas chamber" of Ravensbrück is concerned, we have many points of "evidence" and "undeniable eyewitness accounts," beginning with repeated and extensive eyewitness accounts by Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier or Germaine Tillion. It gets even better. Several years after the war, before both British and French tribunals, the camp officials of Ravensbrück (Suhren, Schwarzhuber and Treite) repeatedly confessed to the existence of a "gas chamber" in their camp. They even vaguely described its operation. Eventually, those who did not commit suicide were executed because of this alleged "gas chamber." The same "confessions" were given prior to their deaths by Ziereis for Mauthausen (Austria) and by Kramer for Struthof-Natzweiler (Alsace). Today, one can see the alleged "gas chamber" of Struthof-Natzweiler and in the same place one can also read the unbelievable "confession" of Kramer. This "gas chamber," which is designated as an "historical monument," is a complete fraud. The slightest amount of critical spirit will be sufficient to convince oneself that a gassing in this small room, without any sealing whatsoever, would have been a catastrophe for the executioner as well as for the people in the vicinity. In order to make this "gas chamber" (which is guaranteed to be "in its original condition") believable, someone has gone so for as to clumsily knock a hole into the thin wall with a chisel, and thereby break four tiles. The hole was so arranged that Josef Kramer would have dumped through it the mysterious "salts" (about which he could give no further details and which, when mixed with a little water, killed within one minute!). How could salts and water make such a gas? How could Kramer have prevented the gas from coming back out the hole? How could he see his victims from a hole which would have let him see no more than half the room? How did he ventilate the room before opening the rudimentary door, made from rough-cut lumber? Perhaps one must ask the civil engineering firm in Saint-Michel sur-Meurthe (Vosges), which after the war altered the place which today is presented to visitors "in its original condition"? Even long after the war, prelates, university professors, and some ordinary citizens gave eyewitness descriptions regarding the terrible reality of the "gas chambers" of Buchenwald and Dachau. With regard to Buchenwald, the "gas chamber" gradually disappeared from the minds of the people who had previously maintained that there was one in this camp. Dachau With regard to Dachau, the situation is different. After it had been firmly established for example by His Eminence Bishop Piguet, the bishop of Clermont-Ferrand that the "gas chamber" had been especially useful in gassing Polish priests,3 eventually the following official explanation came to pass: This gas chamber, whose construction had been started in 1942, was still not completed in 1945 when the camp was liberated. No one could have been gassed in it. The little room, which visitors are told is a "gas chamber," is in reality completely harmless and, while all sorts of construction plans are available for "Baracke X" (the crematorium and vicinity), one cannot determine upon what basis or technical explanation one can claim that this structure is an "unfinished gas chamber." Broszat No official historical institute has done more than the Institut für Zeitgeschichte in Munich to make the myth of the "gas chambers" believable. Since 1972 its director has been Dr. Martin Broszat. As a member of this Institute since 1955, Dr. Broszat became famous as a result of his (partial!) publication in 1958 of the confessions that Rudolf Höss (former Commandant of Auschwitz) is supposed to have written in a communist prison before he was hanged. However, on 19 August 1960, this historian had to tell his amazed countrymen that there had never been mass gassings in the entire Old Reich (Germany's 1937 frontiers), but rather, only in a small number of selected places, especially in occupied Poland, including Auschwitz and Birkenau but not Majdanek. This startling news was given in a simple letter to the editor which was published in the weekly magazine Die Zeit (19 August 1960, page 16). The title was quite misleading and restrictive: Keine Vergasung in Dachau (No Gassing at Dachau) instead of Keine Massenvergasung im Altreich (No Mass Gassing in the Old Reich).4 In order to support this contention, Dr. Broszat provided not the slightest piece of evidence. Today [1978], eighteen years after his letter, neither he nor any of his colleagues has provided the slightest explanation for this affirmation. It would be highly interesting to learn: How does Dr. Broszat know that "gas chambers" in the Old Reich were frauds? How does he know that the "gas chambers" in Poland are genuine? Why do the "proofs," the "certainties," and the "eyewitness accounts" concerning the concentration camps in the west suddenly have no value, while the "proofs," "certainties," and "eyewitness accounts" concerning the camps in Poland Communist territory still remain true? As if by some tacit agreement, not a single recognized historian has raised these questions. How often in the "history of history" has one relied upon the claims of a single historian? 5 German Camps in Occupied Poland Let us now examine the "gas chambers" in Poland. For proof that the "gas chambers" in Belzec or Treblinka really existed, one is asked to rely essentially upon the statement of Kurt Gerstein. This document from a member of the SS, who allegedly committed suicide in 1945 in the prison of Cherche-Midi in Paris, abounds with so many absurdities that in the eyes of historians it has for a long time already been thoroughly discredited.6 Furthermore, this statement has never been made public, not even in the documents of the Nuremberg tribunal, except in an unusable form (with truncations, falsifications, and rewritings). The actual document has never been available with its absurd appendices (French "draft" or the "supplements" in German). Regarding Majdanek, a visit to the actual site is absolutely necessary. It is even more convincing than a visit to Struthof-Natzweiler, if that is possible. Over this question I will publish additional information. With regard to Auschwitz and Birkenau, one must rely essentially on the "Memoirs" 7 of Rudolf Höss, which were prepared under the supervision of his Polish captors. At the actual site, one can only find a "reconstructed" room (Auschwitz I) and ruins (Auschwitz II or Birkenau). An execution with gas has nothing to do with a suicidal or accidental suffocation. In the case of an execution, the executioner and his team must not be exposed to the slightest danger. For their executions, the Americans employ hydrocyanic acid in a sophisticated way, and that only in a small, hermetically-sealed chamber. Afterwards, the gas is exhausted from the chamber and neutralized. For this reason, one must ask how, for example in the case of Auschwitz II or Birkenau, one could bring 2,000 people into a room measuring 210 square meters in area, and then in this highly crowded situation throw in the very strong pesticide Zyklon B, and then immediately after the deaths of the victims let a work crew without any gas masks enter the room in order to take out the bodies which had been thoroughly saturated with cyanide. Two documents8 from the German industrial archives which were registered by the Americans at Nuremberg tell us that the Zyklon B had a strong tendency to adhere to surfaces and could not be removed from an ordinary room with a strong ventilator, but only by natural aeration for almost 24 hours. Additional documents may be found only at the site in the Auschwitz Museum archives, which were never described elsewhere, but which show that this room of 210 square meters, which is today in a dilapidated condition, was only a very simple mortuary, which (in order to protect it against heat) had been located underground, and which was provided with only a single door which served as both an entrance and an exit. 9 Concerning the crematoria of Auschwitz, there is just as there is generally for the entire camp an overabundance of documents and invoices down to the last penny. However, concerning the "gas chambers" there is nothing: no contract for construction, not even a study, nor an order for materials, nor a plan, nor an invoice, nor even a photograph. In a hundred war crimes trials, nothing of the sort was ever produced. http://ihr.org/leaflets/gaschambers.shtml __________________ I think I will take this to the debate forum, and I see the last person to post rather agreed with me. I suppose we as a people are changing our perceptions of history...
  5. http://www.overthrow.com/images/RedCross-holocaust.jpg It's interesting you should ask that, there is much debate concerning this. The above picture is a record that proves that six million Jewish people did not die. However, there is a counter-attack to this, I suggest you read this if you are interesting in it: http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar01.html An excerpt from this: for forced labor. Michael Shermer has pointed out that the Nazis' own estimate of the number of European Jews was eleven million, and sixty percent of eleven million is 6.6 million. This is fairly close to the actual figure. (Actually, forty percent was a serious overestimate of the survival rate of Jews who were captured, but there were many Jews who escaped.) In any case, most of the diary is quite mundane, and interesting only to historians. Did the supposed Jewish conspiracy forge seven thousand pages to insert just a few lines? How did they manage to know Goebbels' affairs intimately enough to avoid contradictions, e.g. putting him or his associates in the wrong city at the wrong date? As even the revisionist David Cole has admitted, revisionists have yet to provide a satisfactory explanation of this document. The rebuttal to this can be found here: http://www.zundelsite.org/english/101/english1011.html It's a lot to read though, lol
  6. War time propaganda is nothing new. Lately, I have seen that perhaps the Holocuast has been exaggerated for the most part. To explain my views on this subject, I have given some links that might be insightful to you as well. Firstly, I beleive the numbers were exaggerated. Six million Jews did not die. http://www.zundelsite.org/english/101/english1011.html The rumors of death camps began before death camps were even initiated. http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/012_jam.html "Holocaust" authors claim that the Nazis were able to cremate bodies in about 10 minutes. How long does it take to incinerate one body, according to professional crematory operators? http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/042_jam.html Also, you might be interested to know that Zyklon B (Hydrogen Cyanide or HCN) which was used to gas the Jewish people was sold in tins that containd 1.134kg of HCN. According to the Merck Index, above 25 degrees celsius HCN readily forms the gas. Fine. According to the Merck and other sources, the lethal concentration of Zyklon B or HCN needed to kill within minutes is 300 parts per million (ppm) which is in fact 300mg per liter of air and because of its vapor pressure, it can easily attain this. The shipments of Zyklon B to Auschwitz/Birkenau were 7.5 tons (1942), 12 tons (1943) and 6 tons (1944) for a total of 25.5 tons of Zyklon B (HCN). I found a few sources but it seems the Dachau gas chamber was 24'x18'x6' and others were about the same being 20'x20'x6'. Using the smaller (which is not in a revisionist's favor), you get 2400 cubic feet which translates to 67968 liters of air in each gas chamber. In a 20'x20' room, an extremely generous estimate of 400 people, that is 1 person per square foot would be the max that could fit. The volume of 400 people that are about 70kg average would be about 50L per person, thus 50L x 400 = 20 000L, so now the total room air volume is 67968-20000 = 47968 Liters. In order to obtain the 300ppm to kill people, for the 47968L number would be 14.39kg of Zyklon B. 14390000mg/47968L = 300ppm. So now we have 14.39kg per gassing. If 1 ton = 907.185kg, then there are 50.4 gassing per ton of Zyklon B, for a total for 25.5 tons of 1285.2 gassings. Thus using the very generous number of people I have given of 400 people per gassing x 1285.2 gassings = 514080 people gassed. NOT 1 MILLION and definately not 4 million. If we were to be realistic, the 400 people would be brought down to 180-200 per gassing giving only 231336-257040 people. I have only recently begun to see the Holocaust through this new perspective, have we been brainwashed by the media and has history been distorted, written by the victors? Any thoughts, please.
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