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yes' date=' in the DEMOLTION industry, not the fire services. this could just as easily be a phrase used in place of 'pull out' ordering the firefighters to retreat because it is too dangerous.
Illegal alien.
English is not my first language, but he dose say "pull it" not , pull out. Or if he were referring to a group of firemen would you not say "pull them".
IIRC shaped charges are used instead of thermite as they are much more efficient. and also easier to set up to cause a simultaneous collapse. thermite would be messy. you would have different bits breaking through at hugely different times. also, you will have to explain how the trigger system survived as long as it did in the fire.
Who is saying there was fire in the entire building, industrial explosives are not that volatile. Anyway if a few explosions had detonated at the wrong time and parts of the buildings had collapsed or toppled , so what. Who would have said anything, they have just been impacted by airliners. The point is the job was done well.(TO WELL)
Shaped charges, yes. This looks familiar.
the rescuers probably knew it was going to collapse to. nobody knew when though. the building gave way without much warning and i'm sure if they weren't helping people out then the toll could have been higher.[/quote]
Illegal alien.
Here we have Mr Giuliani denying that he was told the tower were going to collapse.
Here he is again on 911 on ABC news.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=2034704730
Who told him. You would think this would be investigated.
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Let's see... claims it's "molten steel"... because any molten metal must be steel...
Referring to Steven Jones... who was fired over his position on the matter. There's some peer review for you. But wait... he found traces of thermite... or the apparent results of it... which would appear an awfully lot like what you'd expect from steel exposed to a high temperature fire. But who cares about the details... iron oxide == thermite == incendiary weapons == explosives! Correlation implies causation! DON'T QUESTION IT!
Thermite isn't explosive, it's incendiary. These people don't know what they're talking about.
These are pointed questions intended to frame the debate... with no basis but anecdotes. These aren't arguments, they're aimless speculation, lodged in as many forms as it can possibly exist in.
Seriously, the conspiracists here: how many times have you been wrong so far, on this thread alone? Don't you think you should stop arguing at this point? Aren't you embarassed at being so wrong so often? Or will you continue morphing your arguments as you continually find they don't fit the evidence, trying to brute force some magic combination that actually stands up to scrutiny?
The 9/11 conspiracy meme comes in so many forms it's impossible to debunk. Every time one form is debunked someone else tries another one; every time evidence is presented to the contrary someone comes back with an "as I see it" common sense take on the explanation, claiming it could not be so.
Simple questions like "If explosives were planted, why is no authoritative first person witness stepping forward to testify that's the case?", a simple "as I see it" common sense take on the conspiracy gets the 9/11 conspiracy skeptics here nowhere. We're honestly trying to respond to the bullshit tornado you people keep unleashing upon the general public?
How about one of you 9/11 conspiracy skeptics step up and answer the simple question?
"If explosives were planted, why is no authoritative first person witness stepping forward to testify that's the case?"
Where's somebody who planted these explosives?
Where's somebody who saw these explosives being planted?
Who planted them? Do you have any evidence said party planted them?
Where precisely were they planted? Do you have any evidence explosives were planted at said location(s)?
The answers to these questions are nobody, nobody, nobody, and nowhere.
There's no evidence any of that ever happened.
Zero evidence. None.
Your argument is completely baseless. There is no evidence.
Please cut the posturing and engage in an evidence-based debate. Otherwise you're just arrogant assholes spouting lies and perpetrating a campaign of mass-deception against the general public, the very thing you claim to be fighting against.
Bombs everywhere, most of the radio communication was only released in 2004-2006. Here are some examples.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search=
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In reply to a number of points that have been made:
There is no evidence whatever that the CIA funded al Qaeda at any stage, given OBL's hatred of America it is very unlikely he would have accepted such help, even if he needed it, which as a very wealthy man, he did not.
The huge clouds of dust produced when the towers fell were probably mostly gypsum which crumbles very easily, rather than concrete.
The story of molten metal beneath the rubble is hearsay anyway, and certainly no one could tell what metal it was.
Thermal imaging
September 16 2001
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html
Molten metal
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nope, the relationship with time isn't linear. acceleration is the one you want.
i'm not saying there were explosives in the tower. i'm saying there weren't its you guys who are saying that it was explosives not me.
i'm saying why it couldn't have been explosives.
Here we have Mr Silverstein telling us "so we decided to pull it" .Referring to WTC 7. Mr Larry Silverstein had just acquired a 99 year Leese on the twin towers and building 7. "Pull it" , is the demolition industry term meaning to demolish, (pull it down). To do so you would require explosives, including thermite cutting charges on the steel girders, columns. Resulting in a residue of molten metal.
Here we have Mayor Giuliani announcing to the world on 911 that someone had told him the towers were going to collapse. What a shame he did not pass this information on to the rescue workers entering the towers. Could have saved a lot of lives.
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I have a big problem with the controlled demolition hypothesis. the problem is this.
on the towers we seen the collapse start aroung the area where the planes hit an the fires had been burning for a few hours. now, this may sound completely crazy but, how the hell did the explosives survive?
explosives are not the most stable of chemicals. there are 3 possibilities i can see.
1/ the explosives would have detonated on impact bringing the towers down immediately and it would be very obvious explosives were used since the building should have withstood the initial impact.
2/ the explosives would have self detonated after a few minutes and it would still be obvious that they were used.
3/ the explosives would have partially burnt away and the detonation of the remaining would be sparse and uneven. would cause with very uneven collapse or fail to bring the towers down.
personally, i think a combination of 1/ and 2/ would happen.
explosives don't like to hang around. you explain to me how they survived that long and performed so well.
Just a note on the video: if it was a red hot oven in there, then there are a number of things that could look like molten steel to the casual observer, glass is the most obvious one that springs to mind. there is even mention of it being like molten lava. now, last time i was working with molten steel, it was quite runny. lava, implies a viscous liquid. glass behaves this way. and anything in there would glow red from blackbody radiation. most people identify materials by the colour if they cannot touch it. now, as the only colour visile would be a bright red glow, this method of identification fails.
How did the exsplosives get instaled into the building.
Twin towers power down the weekend before the attacks. And several times in the months leading up to the attacks. After the previous attack on the WTC sniffer dogs were deployed regularly, then the are removed.
Marvin P. Bush, running security at the WTC ?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bin_laden_treated_us_hospital.html
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Well, yes, Robin Cook fell for the story, like so many others, but those who have studied the matter more deeply disagree. Take Jason Burke, for instance, a major contributor to the BBC documentary "The Power of Nightmares". In his book "Al Qaeda", he wrote the following:
It is often said that bin Ladin was funded by the CIA. This is not true, and indeed it would have been impossible given the structure of funding that General Zia ul-Haq, who had taken power in Pakistan in 1977, had set up. A condition of Zia's cooperation with the American plan to turn Afghanistan into the Soviets' 'Vietnam' was that all American funding to the Afghan resistance had to be channeled through the Pakistani government, which effectively meant the Afghan bureau of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), the military spy agency.
The American funding, which went exclusively to the Afghan mujahideen groups, not the Arab volunteers [bin Ladin's groups], was supplemented by Saudi government money and huge funds raised from mosques, non-governmental charitable institutions and private donors throughout the Islamic world. Most of the major Gulf-based charities operating today were founded at this time to raise money or channel government funds to the Afghans, civilians and fighters. In fact, as little as 25 per cent of the money for the Afghan jihad was actually supplied directly by states.
Page 59, Al Qaeda: The true story of radical Islam. Jason Burke
but we are moving rather far away from science here.
Whats going on here then. 2 Months before 9/11
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bin_laden_treated_us_hospital.html
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hey insane_alien.
If they decide to rebuild the twin towers. They could use thin- ish bits of glass straws and some bricks. Should save them some cash.
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fine i chose my wording badly. the jets had just taken off not that long ago. they had enough fuel for the trip they were undertaking. they were also considerably bigger than the 707-300's the towers were designed to withstand and they were travelling faster than the 180mph factored into the design.
How much bigger is considerably.
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okay, take a thin(-ish) plate of glass or ceramic and some thick working gloves. put the plate on two separated bricks. take your hand and apply a force. try to see how far you have to move it before it shatters.
the same principle applies as concrete can shatter like glass, it has a greater leeway before it will shatter but its still quite small. once it starts to shatter it then doesn't need much energy input.
and, just because a workman has to use a pneumatic drill since it would be hopeless to try a constant force approach with out sending him skyward which then involves a lot of effort does not mean that its outwith the potential work of a building collapsing. you can't compare the two scenarios, different type of force, different scale of force, different scale. in fact the only thing the same is that concrete gets broke.
i've proven that even using the times YOU gave for collapse they fell nowhere near freefall acceleration. 70% of freefall acceleration is NOT NEAR freefall. stop stating this as fact its been proven wrong. the 30% reduction in acceleration went towards pulverization and resistance from the standing structure.
no, it relies on the fact that the bottom part disintegrates WHEN the top part of the building hits it. it really doesn't matter what happened to it before (nothing).
they only needed to remain reasonably intact for the first drop of a couple of floors then they only need to stay roughly as a concentrated mass. they could even behave like a viscous liquid and it would still work(thats actually what happened, you see debris flowing over the side).
yes, it would, could and did. though, it doesn't dissipate nearly as much energy as you seem to imagine it did. i have shown why.
well, seeing as the mass didn't just disappear when the floors disintegrated it actually gained mass. that would cause it to disintegrate the floor below even easier and gain more mass, and go through the floor below even easier and gain more mass and... till it hits the ground. of course, there is the fact that debris spilled over the side, this would imply that it would reach a equilibrium mass and reach a terminal velocity. it might even get stopped. although, we do not have a 10000 story building to test it on. and even if we did we wouldn't be alllowed to test it.
why would it make it nonsense? its perfect conditions for pancaking to occur.
Taking this into consideration. Why are so many of the steel girders in reasonably good condition at the base. Apart from being cut. After all they must have been at the point where the greatest amount of mass and energy was concentrated. If it was a pancake collapse
http://www.european911citizensjury.com/WTC-Evidence%20of%20thermite%20on%20column-indicated-b.jpg
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No one is saying they were full.....they did however have a lot more than the little bit needed to land.the designers didn't anticipate the jets being fully fueled which is why the fire proofing failed on the structure(appart from being torn off.) if the jets had been coming into land then they would have stayed standing. and to be fair, the did survive the strike, just not the fire.
By the way
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4-Ton Girders found 190m from towers.
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Actually OBL claimed responsibility in a video sent to al Jazeera in November 2004, transcript available at http://english.aljazeera.net/English/archive/archive?ArchiveId=7403. al Jazeera obviously think it is genuine. Interesting that conspiracists think 9/11 was inside job by the US government but that government cannot get the FBI to ascribe it to OBL on their website!
So it took 3 years for him to confess to the crime. Here is another video released in December 2001 also claiming responsibility. Found by the CIA.
an obvious fake.
The CIA controls al qaeda, trained and funded them. Here...
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but a thermite reaction also burns quite fast. it would be gone in a few hours tops.
1..Thermate charges in the basement = molten metal.
2.. Thermate cutting charges used on the core= molten metal
3..Liquefied molten metal runs to the basement .Gravity
4.. Blow up the building we normally use dynamite. This causes the pulverisation effect seen on the concrete.
5.. Debris and fine dust cover the basement levels insulating the molten metal.
The result produces something similar to a furnace. If you have molten metal in a furnace and then switch off the heating source the molten metal remains. It takes days to shut down an empty furnace.
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So now you have to explain how thermite would keep burning in the rubble days after the collapse.
Once a thermate reaction is started it requires no oxygen. This is a perfect explanation of how molten metal would be found under a mountain of rubble.
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Just so I understand, how do conspiracy theorists get around the detailed and respected 9/11 commission report which details how the 9/11 attackers came into the country, gathered their resources, and then attacked? Is the theory that they were US government agents?
Was Osama also in our pocket when he claimed credit for the attacks? I guess that's why we never found him?!
Osama has never claimed responsibility for the events of 911. There is no evidence to this day to connect Osama with events on 911. Here is the FBI list of alleged crimes committed by Osama. Note, 911 is not even mentioned.
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Your point?
If you're attempting to use this as the basis of an argument, that's appeal to authority.
I can turn up similar lists of scientists who deny evolution or global warming. However, a big list of names isn't an argument. An argument is an argument.
Please do so.
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Aluminum melts at 660 C. There are a vast number of different metals inside large buildings that can melt - you can't assume it's all steel.
Have a look at the meteorite http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.html
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by Signing our Petition:
TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND
OF THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Please Take Notice That:
On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7.
Sincerely,
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pentagon didn't burn as long or as intensely as the others.
i noticed you sidestepped the reply i already gave you.
They reached the 78th floor. Listen here 1min. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370850808525003436&q=Firemen+radio+911&total=11&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
As for (pentagon didn't burn as long or as intensely as the others.) Here is the Madrid fire fairly intense I would think, and burning for more than 15 hours No molten metal found there ether. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3554851540803945132&q=madrid+fire&total=100&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
Also it never collapsed.
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What caused the molten metal.
Molten metal found under WTC 1,2 .Both hit by aircraft.
Molten metal found under WTC 7 . Not hit by an aircraft. (No jet fuel)
No molten metal found anywhere at the Pentagon.Hit by an aircraft, jet fuel fire.
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no, i'm not suggesting that the corriders weren't scorched i'm saying that they would only have been able to get water to the edge of the fire not at the hottest bit where it was doing the most damage.
This is how close they managed to get to the fire, radio communication with firemen. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370850808525003436&q=Firemen+radio+911&total=11&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
They managed to reach the same section of the building that the aircraft impacted.
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Thermate caused the molten metal. Here is a thorough lecture on this subject.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4884818450327382904&q=dr+steven+jones+thermate&total=52&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
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For a more thorough analysis of the molten steel found for 5-6 weeks after the collapse of WTC 1,2,&7, visit this website. http://stj911.org/
The popular myth that the planes were fully loaded with jet fuel is completely incorrect. It well known that passenger aircraft only carry the amount of fuel required for the journey they are undertaking, plus of course a sufficient amount of redundancy.WTC collapsed at freefall speed.See collpse here.
Jet fuel alone can not explain the existence of the molten metal found under WTC 1,2&7. Plus the fact that WTC #7 WAS NOT INPACTED by any aircraft.
However it seems that someone had knowledge of an imminent collapse, as the BBC and CNN reported the collapse of WTC #7 20mins prior to the actual collapse. See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5661808404862296083&q=bbc+wtc7&total=350&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3
We also have the problem of the speed of collapse. WTC 1&2 collapsed at virtually free fall speed. This means there was not any resistance of one Flore collapsing down upon the next. For this to ocker the fires must have uniformly heated the steel in the entire buildings. Thus making it also impossible for anyone to enter. However, tragically many rescue workers did.
As for explosions have a look at this.
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This has absolutly nouthing to do with molten metal found under the WTC.
Now you are clutching at straws, maybe the same ones you were referring to when describing how steel girders break. Insane Alain you are insane. Or a gatekeeper. Just live in denial if you wish.