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This has absolutly nouthing to do with molten metal found under the WTC. Now you are clutching at straws, maybe the same ones you were referring to when describing how steel girders break. Insane Alain you are insane. Or a gatekeeper. Just live in denial if you wish.

[quote name=insane_alien; yes' date=' in the DEMOLTION industry, not the fire services. this could just as easily be a phrase used in place of 'pull out' ordering the firefighters to retreat because it is too dangerous. Illegal alien. English is not my first language, but he dose say "pull it" not , pull out. Or if he were referring to a group of firemen would you not say "pull them". Again http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4950832494366664231&q=pull+it+silverstein&total=137&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 IIRC shaped charges are used instead of thermite as they are much more efficient. and also easier to set up to cause a simultaneous collapse. thermite would be messy. you would have different bits breaking through at hugely different times. also, you will have to explain how the trigger system survived as long as it did in the fire. Who is saying there was fire in the entire building, industrial explosives are not that volatile. Anyway if a few explosions had detonated at the wrong time and parts of the buildings had collapsed or toppled , so what. Who would have said anything, they have just been impacted by airliners. The point is the job was done well.(TO WELL) Shaped charges, yes. This looks familiar. the rescuers probably knew it was going to collapse to. nobody knew when though. the building gave way without much warning and i'm sure if they weren't helping people out then the toll could have been higher.[/quote] Illegal alien. Here we have Mr Giuliani denying that he was told the tower were going to collapse. Here he is again on 911 on ABC news. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=2034704730 Who told him. You would think this would be investigated.

Bombs everywhere, most of the radio communication was only released in 2004-2006. Here are some examples. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&mode=related&search=

Thermal imaging September 16 2001 http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html Molten metal

Here we have Mr Silverstein telling us "so we decided to pull it" .Referring to WTC 7. Mr Larry Silverstein had just acquired a 99 year Leese on the twin towers and building 7. "Pull it" , is the demolition industry term meaning to demolish, (pull it down). To do so you would require explosives, including thermite cutting charges on the steel girders, columns. Resulting in a residue of molten metal. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4950832494366664231&q=larry+silverstein+pull+it&total=61&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 Here we have Mayor Giuliani announcing to the world on 911 that someone had told him the towers were going to collapse. What a shame he did not pass this information on to the rescue workers entering the towers. Could have saved a lot of lives. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8303237747232200948&q=giuliani++tv+911+collapse&total=25&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

How did the exsplosives get instaled into the building. Twin towers power down the weekend before the attacks. And several times in the months leading up to the attacks. After the previous attack on the WTC sniffer dogs were deployed regularly, then the are removed. Marvin P. Bush, running security at the WTC ? http://www.prisonplanet.com/bin_laden_treated_us_hospital.html

Whats going on here then. 2 Months before 9/11 http://www.prisonplanet.com/bin_laden_treated_us_hospital.html

hey insane_alien. If they decide to rebuild the twin towers. They could use thin- ish bits of glass straws and some bricks. Should save them some cash.

How much bigger is considerably. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/boeing_707_767.html

By the way

4-Ton Girders found 190m from towers. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6035795349340615832&q=horizontal+911&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

So it took 3 years for him to confess to the crime. Here is another video released in December 2001 also claiming responsibility. Found by the CIA. an obvious fake. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2065744174333803429&q=video+osama+911&total=2837&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5 The CIA controls al qaeda, trained and funded them. Here... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3975852998814570911&q=al+qaeda++cia+connection&total=23&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

1..Thermate charges in the basement = molten metal. 2.. Thermate cutting charges used on the core= molten metal 3..Liquefied molten metal runs to the basement .Gravity 4.. Blow up the building we normally use dynamite. This causes the pulverisation effect seen on the concrete. 5.. Debris and fine dust cover the basement levels insulating the molten metal. The result produces something similar to a furnace. If you have molten metal in a furnace and then switch off the heating source the molten metal remains. It takes days to shut down an empty furnace. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2164562607157128626&q=demolished+wtc+7&total=519&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=9

Osama has never claimed responsibility for the events of 911. There is no evidence to this day to connect Osama with events on 911. Here is the FBI list of alleged crimes committed by Osama. Note, 911 is not even mentioned. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm

Please do so.

Thermal imaging 10 days after collapse http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/thermal.r09.html

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They reached the 78th floor. Listen here 1min. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370850808525003436&q=Firemen+radio+911&total=11&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 As for (pentagon didn't burn as long or as intensely as the others.) Here is the Madrid fire fairly intense I would think, and burning for more than 15 hours No molten metal found there ether. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3554851540803945132&q=madrid+fire&total=100&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3 Also it never collapsed.

What caused the molten metal. Molten metal found under WTC 1,2 .Both hit by aircraft. Molten metal found under WTC 7 . Not hit by an aircraft. (No jet fuel) No molten metal found anywhere at the Pentagon.Hit by an aircraft, jet fuel fire.

This is how close they managed to get to the fire, radio communication with firemen. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5370850808525003436&q=Firemen+radio+911&total=11&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1 They managed to reach the same section of the building that the aircraft impacted.

Thermate caused the molten metal. Here is a thorough lecture on this subject.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4884818450327382904&q=dr+steven+jones+thermate&total=52&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

For a more thorough analysis of the molten steel found for 5-6 weeks after the collapse of WTC 1,2,&7, visit this website. http://stj911.org/ The popular myth that the planes were fully loaded with jet fuel is completely incorrect. It well known that passenger aircraft only carry the amount of fuel required for the journey they are undertaking, plus of course a sufficient amount of redundancy.WTC collapsed at freefall speed.See collpse here. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3629874799752266741&q=WTC+7+COLLAPSE&total=450&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=6 Jet fuel alone can not explain the existence of the molten metal found under WTC 1,2&7. Plus the fact that WTC #7 WAS NOT INPACTED by any aircraft. However it seems that someone had knowledge of an imminent collapse, as the BBC and CNN reported the collapse of WTC #7 20mins prior to the actual collapse. See http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5661808404862296083&q=bbc+wtc7&total=350&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3 We also have the problem of the speed of collapse. WTC 1&2 collapsed at virtually free fall speed. This means there was not any resistance of one Flore collapsing down upon the next. For this to ocker the fires must have uniformly heated the steel in the entire buildings. Thus making it also impossible for anyone to enter. However, tragically many rescue workers did. As for explosions have a look at this. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=703807108088105842&q=explosions+911&total=656&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-972875032828177268&q=explosions+911&total=656&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7