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Adding capitalisation doesn't really do much.

There's nothing stopping particles being in the same space. See: Neutron Stars. See: Pauli's Exclusion Principle.

The most common idea is probably to use electrolysis.

I said EMPIRICALLY random.

The environment is the one in the original question, with the penny and the pope. And remember folks, I said EMPIRICALLY.

The chances of us being able to is rather slim, Quantum Physics notwithstanding.

1. Whereas volume is a property governed by Heisenberg. 2. That's not what I said. If you want a probability of 100% of finding the electron within a fixed volume, then the volume you're looking at is infinite. The electron density is asymptotic with 0. 3. I'm not talking about never, I'm merely stating that even if there is a small volume in existance, the force exerted by the electronic charge is so much greater in radius of action that the probablity of getting an electron with that much energy is nigh on 0; I can't be bothered to calculate the amount of energy required to have a decent chance of having an electron with that energy (Boltzmann distribution), but it's going to be unbelieveably, and some may say inconceivably, immense. So large we don't know what other effects may be taking place. (Note to self: might special relativity have some effect on the energy outcome. Must check.) ps. Read the site for further arguement against the electrons-have-classical-volume argument.

Your point being?

Before anyone says anything else, Laplacian Determinism has been long dead.

It fell unpredictably, which is empirically the same. ps THERE YOU GO, BRINGING GOD INTO IT AGAIN. (good old Dawkins)

1. Mass is an accepted property because it is not affected by quantum theory, only by spec rel. 2. The standard orbital diagrams show 99% probability. 3. And to answer the earlier point about electrons colliding, borrowing this handy link from RadicalEdward (http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/nature_subatomic_particles.htm - which also talks about electronic volume), we find that the energy required to force 2 electrons to touch is about 2.5 x 10^15 J, which is the equivalent of a 1 megaton device, or thereabouts.

Well, the influence of everything disappears at this length. And you still haven't told me what volume means when any observable instance of the particle is spread over an infinite space.

A made up one?

Go to war with Iraq all you like. Just go to war with other places with a similar record [*cough*Saudi Arabia*cough*] as well.

There's no such thing as a 'quantum length'. There's the Planck length, which is about lower bounds on observability. But quantum phenomena apply to EVERYTHING. (See the de Broglie wavelength equation)

As I said before, can volume be said to have any meaning when the particle is delocalised?

How quaint.

It's not a question of ignition, it's a question of getting the temp high enough to fuse Nitrogen. Then it's a chain reaction. If memory serves.

The point I was making about the moon colony is that it would be a great help in making a martian colony; there is no need to have seperate resource allocations as the moon one would be a test bed.

You can more easily put up shields on the moon than you can on Mars. Bear in mind that Mars has almost no atmosphere, as (afaik the current theory goes) it's getting ripped away by the solar wind because it hasn't got a magnetic enough core to deflect it. We know we can get to the moon. It's also much closer, meaning if there were unforseen problems then it would be much easier to fix. In addition, we're having trouble landing a mechanical Rover on Mars, let alone a human.

There are other particles that are believed to be fundamental you know.

Well, if we can't get a perm colony on the moon, which is right next door, how are we going to do it on Mars?

I thought microsoft used macs.