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Amen آمين אָמֵן P.S. It is not an infinite problem. For example many theoretical and mathematical physicist have their own theories and formal models of what will happen when two protons collide in LHC at energy of 7 TeV, and only an experimental physicist will know exactly what will happen just after she will do the experiment. The point is that I know just what I see! If I say something that I didn't see (for example fractal structure of Nature or the infinity in the black hole), it is only a speculation, or matter of faith, religion or whatever you want! This is what theoretical physicists and mathematicians do! They are people of faith! P.P.S. By the way folks, I'm very excited about all opportunities of the Internet. Look at us, we each are sitting in far parts of the World, and discussing about infinity and other state-of-the-art issues of contemporary science. We could easily establish a virtual institute and even more write a book all together about infinity or a fundamental principle of Nature or something else more interesting. And these book would be an unrivalled state of the art of the issue because it would be written by many, and everybody knows that ten (wo)men know about something certainly better than one (wo)man, and a hundred (wo)men know better than ten! You know what I mean! Thank God for the Internet and we could establish a virtual institute and write a book, I'm really not joking!

The only thing by which someone has to be perplexed is Godel's conclusion about formal systems like physical theories and (I would say) whole mathematics are! By analogy with it, Schrodinger's equation is nothing but garbage, and even more because we couldn't properly see are its repercussions really true! PS. I actually know that it is commonly known that infinity doesn't exist in the Nature (nobody has discovered it yet), but did You know that infinity is issue in mathematics for centuries? Mathematicians usually make distinction between potential and actual infinity. Potential infinity isn't a problem but actual infinity certainly is, and I don't think that it is ever properly solved. Real astonishment is that everything we know could be wrong, but we''ll wait and see what will LHC say! Many could be surprised! And that is why I respect one experimental physicist more than dozens mathematicians (my colleagues, sorry about that, you all know that I don't think that literary)!

Folks we have to find example of infinity not in mathematics (it surely exist there), but in Nature and it should be as soon as possible, because we are facing the most dangerous monster - infinity (if it is just a logical concept)! If infinity is only a human construct it is very possible that the whole mathematics is only a human construct (infinity is incorporated in many mathematical concepts like calculus), and it is more than likely that many physical theories are nothing but garbage. For example whole quantum mechanics is very good mathematical description of reality on small scale, but we could not be sure that everything is happening just like that. We could only be sure that mathematics is telling us that it should be just like that. What if mathematics is just a construct of human logic. Kurt Godel proofed very clearly that formal systems produced by human logic couldn't be very reliable. It sounds almost apocalyptic that large part of human knowledge about Nature could be wrong.

Hi folks, what about facing two mirrors each other. I think it is a very clear example of infinity in Nature. Infinite image reflections are there no matter anyone see it or not, they just exist there I think, or maybe I am wrong? I know there is an issue with light diminishing effect (photone scattering in spacetime I think), but I am not sure that it is really relevant. Another issue is quantum apect of that phenomenon (Copenhagen interprtation, human consciousness relevance for measuring). I also think that an evidence of infinity in Nature is very important for definitive classification of mathematics. If infinity is only a human construct then it is a serious threat, because whole mathematics could be just a human construct and the most we know could be wrong. On the other hand, if there is an evidence of infinity in Nature then mathematics could be a scheme of Universe or the language of God, because humans mathematically describe infinity (like black hole) even anyone didn't see it. PS. Sorry for my English, it is not my mother language.