Sha31

Not inside, but outside, as combined entity (on average). Like molecules of water, which are electric dipoles, yet they still arrange into combined electrically neutral entity, say 'glass of water', that's what I mean. When you take a piece of wood and when it does not interact with magnet, you say it's magnetically neutral, that's what I mean. So, is there some static spatial arrangement of permanent bar magnets that can neutralize magnetic fields around them, make them magnetically neutral as a whole?

For electric fields to neutralize all you have to have is uniform (random) distribution. 10 protons and 10 electrons will pair in 10 electric dipoles known as hydrogen atoms and each will be neutral on average making the area they occupy electrically neutral, unlike magnetic dipoles. Permanent magnets have this uniform distribution of electrons where electric fields neutralize and obviously their magnetic fields do not. Magnetic fields of electrons actually couple and the larger the magnet the stronger net magnetic field will be.

Magnetic fields do not seem to neutralize like electric fields. Magnetic fields always seem to couple without decrease in overall magnitude, so how non-magnetic materials can manage to cancel all the magnetic fields and stay magnetically neutral? To simplify the situation let me rephrase this using 'permanent bar magnets' instead of electrons, and their magnetic dipole moment, as a source for magnetic fields. So, in other words, is there some spatial arrangement of permanent magnets that can neutralize their magnetic fields?

Ok, thank you for your input. I like the bit about stone on a hill. Can someone provide links to articles or papers describing velocities of FREE electrons in vacuum, superconductors or plasma? Can someone provide links to articles or papers describing how exactly can we 'slow down' free electrons, what technology is used, and what is the MINIMUM velocity achieved?

Ok. But, I can model this by simply simulating electric and magnetic field interaction according to classical electromagnetic equations, so why do you think zero-point energy/forces are necessary, how do you conclude they are more "basic" than magnetic and electric forces?

I'm asking you how and why. How particle structure dictates motion of particles? Why electrons repel?

What is electron velocity? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Yes' date=' I know. What I don't know are electron velocities in those distributions and how it was measured. Do you know anything about that? Can we bring electrons to full stop? No, I'm not aware. I'm not even aware of any experimental measurements of electron speed. I'm interested in numbers, in technology used to slow down electrons or measure velocities. Are you aware? Can you provide some reference to some actual numbers? What is the velocity of that electron? How is that velocity measured/calculated? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Can you provide some evidence for that? Wh..?? Wrong about what? Do you mean to say that article is wrong? 1.) Every electron has dipole moment - two magnetic fields, yes/no? 2.) Can this axis (line passing through N/S poles) change orientation, yes/no?

Dear swansont, I have 7 years of university education, physics and computer science, as well as 18 years of experience in experimental physics and manufacturing, actually working in a laboratory. I could just the same tell how you do not understand and have no idea what are you talking about, but that's lousy argument, so if you'd like to disagree with some statement, which is not my question, then just bring on the arguments and stop waving hands. Real physicists should be very interested to know things like this, it would help them keep electrons in one location, help them take more precise measurements... and disprove QM in the same time. -- Anyhow, I'm asking very specific question: about linear velocity of FREE electrons in vacuum, superconductors and plasma. Do you know anything about this? "arbitrarily" (usually) means 'according to human decision', on purpose, at will. So, what you need to show is some experiment that can slow down electrons to around zero velocity. Do you know anything about this?

Not really, the environment is largely magnetically and electrically neutral. Perhaps you are talking about the difficulties of assembling uniform electromagnetic fields to capture electrons and Earnshaw's theorem? I'm not disbelieving anything since I have not seen anything yet. I simply want to learn about relevant experiments. My reason to question is based on the lack of evidence, that's all. I'm talking about velocities like 100-0 m/s. Are you comfortable with photons not being able to slow down?

In my theory photon is electric dipole. Electron-positron pair, two opposite electric fields trying to stick together, but because of magnetic fields, instead of orbiting, they end up spiraling each other describing double-helix, also known as transverse EM wave. I discovered this by chance when I was simulating electron trajectories in magnetic field, I was curious to see how electron and positron interact and I saw they produce spiraling waves where opposite electric and magnetic fields oscillate around each other, just like in the real-world. Can you tell us more about how did you come up with your conclusion?

Can you describe hydrogen atom and bonding of 2xH into H2 molecule more closely? Do electrons in your theory follow classical trajectories? Do you have any equations to describe what are electrons and protons actually doing, who is attracting who with what force, what is their velocity and such?

Where did you get information about 23mil rpm? How much is that when converted to linear velocity? Other than ball falling apart there should be no other limits. Actually, it should even keep its velocity indefinitely... perhaps even speed up as it gets lighter due to radiation.

Yes, they are magnetic poles, north and south magnetic poles, whether you want to think they are caused by real spin or come built-in with each electron. But, I said I'm not talking about that spin, I'm talking about the other two axis perpendicular to the line connecting these two poles, like this: Electron Speedometer http://focus.aps.org/story/v17/st4 - "In a magnetic field, the spin axis of each electron rotates, or precesses, around the field, just as a tilted, spinning gyroscope or top precesses around the vertical gravitational field." I already know about equations and theories, now I want to know about experimental measurements and how exactly can we bring electrons to full stop? I want to know the average electron speed in superconductors and plasma. Please, don't ignore anything. Is <1>de Broglie frequency<1> actually describing <2>linear velocity<2>, or are these two variables independent and each can contribute to total electron energy by itself? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Argument? I'm not arguing, I'm asking for EVIDENCE. You failed to answer the question. I'm asking for REFERENCE, online ARTICLES and published PAPERS describing EXPERIMENTAL MEASUREMENTS. Good bye. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Ok, thanks. That's what I want - numbers. Now, what I'm looking for is some experiment that measures the speed of electrons based on velocity= distance/time, instead of based on momentum. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged What is the velocity of that electron? How is that velocity measured/calculated?