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Dear Mokele, I draw the conclusions differently. With the help of polytronic model, I can calculate amplitude (and frequency) of mechanical oscillations in atom. This amplitude has a direct connection with electric amplitude of photons. So, for example, at temperature of 2000 degrees the amplitude of mechanical fluctuations in atoms has the order of ~3*10^-15 meter (~3 femtometer). Accordingly, at temperature of an alive matter, this amplitude approximately in 100 times is less. Atoms in water, sugar, protein, DNA, RNA, etc. are "tuned, similarly to a musical instrument" on concrete sets of resonant frequencies and amplitudes. It is quantum mechanics in microcosm, and, somewhat, quantum electrodynamics, but without electrons. I would like to repeat, that till now, the fact of existence of electrons inside atoms is disputable. Yes, electrons exist outside of atoms. It is the fact. But electrons appear as result of strong electromagnetic influence (local temperature above 2000 degrees). Such conditions are unsuitable for an alive matter. Photons – it's quite another matter. Photons transfer richer information through space, than electrons. I agree, that the electric charge can carry out function of glue, but provide selectivity during a reproduction of an alive matter they cannot. I want to thank you for remarks. I have understood, that it is necessary to add my article with more detailed information about resonant processes in atoms. I should accent, that I write about the symphony of life.

To Mokele I read yours posts very attentively. Simply I do not understand your impulsiveness. How it is possible "actually provide evidence", if it occurs on scale of the atomic sizes. Such microscopes do not exist. Therefore, I speak only about modelling. Really, is it not clear from article? Let's make so. In July I shall lead the discussion in Russian forum and I shall ask our chemists and biophysicists about ways – "how provide evidence". Well?

To zyncod The concept of life is conditional. Generally, the life is movement. Therefore, each object in the universe is not absolutely dead, including a stone. We can speak only about levels of the organization of movement. The most reliable and effective level of the organized movement is a vibration in elements of subatomic size. The most complex and fragile level of the organized movement is, that we name consciousness. The majority of people deeply are mistaken, when consider, that their consciousness is capable to give rise to absolutely new intellectual substance. The human consciousness is capable to give rise only new combinations from stereotypes of last time, which are written down into their subconsciousness. To Skye I have not told any word, that the information in riboses is transferred and served with help of electrons. The information is transferred by an exchange of sets of resonant frequencies through direct contact between atoms. To Mokele "Actual data is the core of science". There is no one of "EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE", which would show, that atoms contain the same electrons, which we can investigate in vacuum. Nevertheless, you, not reflecting, use this dogma. In a basis of my project the hypothesis of nonelectronic structure of atoms lays. I search, and I shall search for new, more simple models, with the help of my polytronic hypothesis. Time will show, what model is more true. And now look, what "Actual data" the nonpsuedoscience palms off for you: http://vlamir.nsk.ru/WHAT_DIAMOND_SPEAKS_ABOUT_e.pdf

The microscopic doze of potassium cyanide kills a huge animal. The atom of carbon in molecule KCN has other set of resonant frequencies, than atom of carbon in sugar. With ingress of toxin on receptors, this "signal" will reprogram a set of frequencies of sugars. Reprogrammed sugar ingress on membranes of respiratory neurons and paralyses their work. But, Mokele, I am not going to read for you lecture. Learn to analyze the well-known facts deeply.

Dear Mokele, In our Russian forum "Membrana", it is literally at the given hours, two discussions about the freedom of speech and democracy in science are developing. I think, you would have a hot bath for your conservatism. Well! If you are not capable to understand resonant mechanisms of transfer and storing of the information at atomic level, then try to analyze own words: "I can *prove* that nerve cells are used by living organisms to gather informations about their environment, and that these nerve cells interact with each other, glands ãëàíäû, and muscles. The brain is also made of neurons. …" from origin of nerve cells till their full maturity. At this time there is a development of consciousness under the following consecution: Reflex –> Instinct –> Stereotype –> Reason 1 –> Reason 2 –> Intuition –> Intellect. Unfortunately, in English, there is no precise gradation for last four intellectual levels of a human brain. Though, I. Kant had made this gradation.

Dear Mokele, You too simplify a structure of atoms. The electronic theory is too rough to explain functioning an alive matter. Accordingly, subconsciously basing on this theory, you underestimate opportunities of D-ribose, DNA, RNA, etc. At the same time, you deify opportunities of nerve cell. It is simple psychological breach between very small and very big. For example, monomer of D-ribose can be comparable with the accounting calculator, whereas one simple neuron can be comparable with the universe. Accordingly, water, as the main component of a D-ribose and other monosaccharides, provides stepped transfer of the information along nucleotides. I cannot demand from you the big knowledge in physics of atom. At the same time, I do not want to apologize for supporters of the official physical paradigm. I think, that the theoretical physics is in deep crisis. But, unfortunately, I see, that chemists, biologists, genetics, etc. do not understand it, and allow to physicists to rest on old laurels. In front of you there is a computer. You well know, that the computer has two types of memory and very well copes with huge streams of the information. All details of a computer are made of atoms and molecules. Then what we argue about?

Dear Mokele, Thanks for compliments. I know myself, that my idea looks as a fantasy. I continuously analyze itself, also I try to find weak places in this idea. But the mathematics speaks, that it is the validity. As to your questions, I see, that Insane_alien speaks truly. It is the scale of quantum mechanics. But I would like to add, that the existing theory of elementary particles has many own problems. Therefore, for the time being, it cannot be applied for an explanation of processes in alive organisms. Besides, I am surprised a little, that you do not know, that water in alive cells is structured always. It is known, at least, hundred years. Dear Insane_alien, You have incorrectly made experiment. The crystal of water (ice) should grow from a phase of saturated vapour on edge of very thin needle. In this case one crystal grows only. Any external influences (for example, music) influence on process of crystallization (or structurizations of water). By the way, it is the answer to the question by Mokele – "How does it get into the molecules to begin with?"

To Mokele I see, you have started to move to understanding of this mechanism. In any case, somewhere in depth of atom there is very reliable mechanism for information interchange with other atoms and molecules. The basis of this mechanism – resonant vibrators, which form the set of discrete frequencies, strictly connected with temperature. So, for example, at temperature ~3K hydrogen radiates and absorbs energy with length of wave 7.35cm. This length of wave corresponds to "a frequency jump" from 2.402*10^11Hz up to 2.361*10^11Hz and back. Each given kind of organism can functionate and develop only at very narrow interval of temperatures. At this temperature, atoms in molecules of organism, being contact with each other, exchange with energy of strictly limited interval of frequencies. It is specific language of the given kind of alive creatures, including their genetic language. As you see, I can precisely calculate temperatures and frequencies, at which there is an information exchange between atoms. Unfortunately, I have no powerful equipment and software to execute similar calculations for complex molecules. But time does not cost on a place, and, maybe, we shall invent more simple algorithms. To Zyncod These researches were executed by one Japanese scientist. I read about it for a long time in a paper variant. In the article there were many colourful photos.

Mokele, This information is reserved in vibrating elements of atoms, i.e. in polytrons. Polytrons have a set of own resonant frequencies, which can be calculated from spectra of radiation of atoms. The exchange of energy with various frequencies is coding and recoding of atoms. But I have no opportunity to check up it in any other way.

Bluenoise, try now: http://www.sinor.ru/~polytron/index.html

To Mokele Monomer D-ribose is capable to carry out elementary mathematical actions 2+2=4 and 2^2=4. Polymer of n monomers is capable to carry out 2^n and 2^(2n). Everyone monomer occupies own place in space and can be programmed and reprogrammed in time. Hence, the openwork structure of DNA comprises the information about the place and time of events. * To Bluenoise ??? To my mind, I have given the links, both in Russian (…_r.htm), and in English (…_e.htm).

In fact I have answered this question. Monomer D-ribose is an elementary cell of consciousness.

In a basis of that, what we name as common sense, there is the principle, according to which, we prefer, from many probable explanations other things being equal, the simplest explanation. And it, basically, is correctly because process of cognition occurs from simple to complex. But, unfortunately, in parallel sciences this principle is observed very seldom. So, for example, two parallel sciences – the physics and the chemistry, investigate the same object – substance. Thus, the physicists should give correct model of a structure of atoms, whereupon the chemists, using this model, should give correct model of a structure of molecules, including, the correct spatial structure of the elementary cell of life, i.e. a structure of the molecule of desoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). After that chemists and physicists should give the unequivocal answer to a question – what is LIFE. It is the main question for our civilization. … In such a way the small article (4 pages) "Spinal cord of DNA-molecule" begins. Now the server, where there is my web-site, is broken, therefore I have placed this article in my small homepage: http://www.sinor.ru/~polytron/Spinal_cord_of_DNA-molecule_e.htm http://www.sinor.ru/~polytron/Spinal_cord_of_DNA-molecula_r.htm As soon as the server will be repaired, I shall place the article in my web-site in PDF-format.

At research of laws of the nature we actually measure only three parameters – force, length and time. Therefore, it seems rather strange, what for scientists have excluded the unit of measurements of force from the list of the basic units of measurements, and have entered the unit of measurements of mass. Other fact from a series of alogisms concerns to a technique of definition of a unit of measurements of force of electric current. The ampere is defined, as result of interaction of two infinite and parallel conductors with electric current. Such conductors in the nature do not exist. The electric current always is closed and, hence, it has concrete connection with space and time. If we shall give for an electric current to operate according to the law of the most favourable power state, it will necessarily take the shape of a ring. Research of electromagnetic forces in rings gives a lot of the new and interesting information, which helps to understand laws of macrocosm and microcosm. You can see it in our next work: http://vlamir.nsk.ru/FORMULA_FOR_SUPERCONDUCTIVITY_e.pdf This work contains the new facts, which will be useful to those, who studies problems of electromagnetic radiation and substance.

The official paradigm asserts, that the photon is an electromagnetic wave, but for some reason it cannot give the recipe, how to operate photons with the help of electric and magnetic fields. I think, that the photon is not similar to an electromagnetic wave and I want to offer new model of photon, which can explain both the Compton effect and the light pressure more logically. 1) As any quantum system, a photon has quantum number "m", which is equal to number of half waves on length of a photon. The name of these half waves are quantrons, by analogy to half waves in ring radiators of energy, i.e. in polytrons. 2) All photons have the same quantum number m=2. 3) The forward quantron represents spindle-shaped electromagnetic a whirlwind, in which ring lines of a magnetic field form a surface of a spindle, and lines of an electric field are directed outside from a surface of a spindle. 4) The back quantron differs from forward that lines of an electric field are directed inside of a magnetic spindle. 5) The density of energy inside a forward quantron is higher, than density of energy inside a back quantron. Therefore, it is possible to tell, that energy of a forward quantron is positive, and energy of a back quantron is negative, concerning some basic energy level (it is possible, concerning the energy level of vacuum). 6) Proceeding from the above-described form, the electric field of a photon can be presented as an electric dipole, which is "smeared" on length of a photon. 7) The ratio of length and the maximal cross-section size of a photon depends on its energy. In polytronic model, the energy of quantron is proportional to its area. Hence, energy of a photon also is proportional to its area, i.e. proportional to product of length of a wave by the cross-section size (amplitude). 8) For example, length of wave of the Rydberg photon (91.126705nm) is 1900 times more, than its cross-section size. Actually, these magnetic spindles represent very thin needles. Therefore, I think, this fact is a good explanation to occurrence of the theory of strings. 9) Absorption of photons by atoms occurs according to laws of an electromagnetic induction. When the photon tries to fly through a ring of polytron, the shoulders of its electric dipole start to draw together. This process of closing in of electric charges generates a pulse of ring magnetic field, which increases energy of polytron. Further, this additional energy starts to circulate in all polytrons in atom, yet will not find suitable node of a radial polytron to leave atom as approximately the same photon, as absorbed one. 10) The light pressure (the resonant light pressure, including) arises as result of change of a direction of movement of the absorbed energy at its circulation in polytrons of atom. As you can guess, the new mathematics in the polytronic theory of atom enables to model also other interactions of light and substance.