Imagine Everything

Thank you btw, Is the pattern 3 ? Wouldn't all pairs of things be 3's? A pair makes up a whatever thing it makes up (the 3rd). Like night and day make a whole day. Glass and water make a glass of water. The sea shore & the sand make up a coast. Einsteins theory of relativity used 3 things too...Energy, Mass & Speed of light. At least as I see the equasion without totally understanding all the equasions & knowledge behind it. An atom is usually? a proton, neutron and electron - made up of 3 A neucleus is a proton, netron held together by a nuclear force (the 3rd) A proton has 3 quarks? a neutron has 3 quarks? Quantum entangled particles have 2 pieces linked by a mediator (another 3rd) 3 .... 3 .... 3 .... 3 seems to be everywhere Just a thought, and maybe there's nothing to it but perhaps there is also a 3rd missing from DE/DM that would help define or understand it? A D? If an electron field has electrons, they are negative and positive creating a 3 overall. DM intrigues me as I'm sure it does all of you experts. (I'm not implying I'm an expert) I'm sure I'm wrong but one of the ways I see the universe when I think about it ow and before was that it was self creating, though I can only think it would mean something had to start it to begin with, whatever or whoever that was. So with creative imigination, one way I see it is like one of those knitting ball things I was taught in infant school. We had a circular bit of card that we then knitted around one side iirc and then did the other side before pulling the card out. So our universe was born but from what? Maybe a template/mediator? rather than a physical thing and on the other side is also a universe but not seperate to, rather just more of the one we see. Not even neccessarily opposite to the part we live in, just the rest of it. Maybe filled with the material consumed by & into a BH singularity and passed back into the other half (other side of the template (card) where it does the same thing again and again and again. Like a (forgive my metaphor) never ending knitted ball of wool. My imagination lmao...an interesting thought and you don't need to comment on that, it's probably a very wild and weird idea. This would be the ulimate 3 I guess From my idea, I see this 'thing' in my head as a 3 or a 3rd if you will, not 3rd as in fraction, just a simple 3rd area or item. 2 seperate boundary conditions with a 3rd state between them Was 6k Kelvins the heat of the universe when it exploded into life? Just curious after breifly looking at the PT link

I think so yes, well maybe...does this mean everything has oxygen atoms or requires oxygen atoms to become something else? Except for He? or other inert gases if there are some?

Thanks Mordred, interesting & very confusing. How can a molecule be made of elements if elements themselves are made of atoms but molecules can appear as atoms? Am I going wrong thinking of size rather than energy waves? In my head I see this as (for explanitive purposes only) big, smaller, smaller, big going into smaller? Or is this due to density? And I'm a bit scared of what your answer might be if it is lol Sorry if I misundestood this completely. And yes chemistry not physics, when I was reading about the atom, I think one of the pages I got directed to explained this bonding behaviour. Are Ions created purposefully by humans or are these created during supernovae too?

Oh ok, thanks Studiot. In respect to valance, I read (if memory serves correctly) that different atoms have different valance electron amounts that are attracted to similar valance electron amounts and is why they bond together. I hope I said that right. Could one of you point me in the direction of a more detailed and easy to understand valance website please? Also ionisation. Thanks as always

But not VP's? I know they are theoreticly proposed as what happens when electrons bump into each other but would that not mean that (if they exist) they too could exist in a degeneracy state? Or have I gone beyone the smallest anything can possibly be within the realms of fields/ fluctuations and Excitements? Huh, I think I've acutally learnt something....... ty Btw...I have no idea if my idea is a something, could be a something and bla bla bla, but if it eventually turns out to be a something scientifically, you guys do realise & should also be creditted with, it wouldn't have become whatever it might do without your input, help and patience. More than likely I guess, it's nothing but what if...hmmm Ryan Reynolds presents the Deadpool Nobel prize to Mordred, Studiot and some bloke who had an idea... I know, I know, I also pipe dream a lot. I'll have a look tomorrow boss, I'm fighting a bug atm just want to sleep or kill the person that spread their virus atoms Grrr Cya tomorrow as it were, thx

I'll be honest, I don't remember the conservation laws right now, but I'm always re reading this thread and will no doubt see it again. So if Hydrogen doesn't need to be fused, how is it formed? Was it simply just 'there' at the big bang? Did the dense heat create it? Was it like power created H and H harnessed the power? As for Boltzmann brain, I was just throwing out a weird thought, I don't think I need an answer tbh. It doesn't really fit into my idea, was just hmm...weirdly curious. But thanks So hmm again, if H is in the outer part of our sun and condenses to become He and then that condenses to become a He core, (leaving it there and only relating to our sun) doesn't that mean that H is being created or exists around the He fusion? And if it does then does mean at some point in the future, our solar system will gain new planets or similart structures? oes ou Solar system currently live inside an H cloud? Also, I was seeing things about He flashes in that Kahn Academy series of lectures does that mean (relating to our sun) that there are also H flashes? and various other flashes? Are these flashes aka supernova? And thanks for the links to thes videos, seeing it all as images helps immensely. Why is Iron called Fe and not Ir if Hydrogen is H and Helium is He? I dare I'm showing you my lack of science knowledge by asking that. I read & saw that there is ao a theorised?/measured? quark star. Which is fascinating. Is there a quark field? And hmmmm hmmmm...Degeneracy..hmmmm....So if there is Electron degeneracy and Neutron degeneracy, is there also Quark degeneracy and, maybe this will sound very weird or stupid, is or could there also be VP degeneracy?. And is that why people get divorced? Lmao, threw that in as a funny. Feel free to smile. ^^

That is super cool, I'll look in a minute. I was just mildly throwing that out there, didn't expect something serious to come back lol. Few questions please. What created the hydrogen to begin with before any stars or anything had been created? Is DM the 'leftover' part of hydrogen, if it had any left over part/s, once the hydrogen has been fused? Hopefully I said that right. Is there still hydrogen around our sun? And hmmm maybe a bit sci fi ish but out of curiosity do you think it would be possible to piggyback the energy of a supernova (at a safe and certain point within the shockwave) to travel faster than we're currently able to, and then be able to perhaps reach certain places in our galaxy quicker. I'm not thinking lightspeed but maybe faster than voyager currently is. Ok read that, obviously didn't understand much but am I right to think that it suggests DM/ the universe freezes at some point and therefore no motion or creation can happen? If I can be bold, can I liken it to a cryo freezed human head?

Mmmm very interesting seeing the scale of things, could one be forgiven for thinking everything resides inside a universe sized brain? Thanks Studiot

https://www.khanacademy.org/science/cosmology-and-astronomy/universe-scale-topic/scale-earth-galaxy-tutorial/v/hubble-image-of-galaxies No words to explain.... Thanks Mordred, I think it was you that gave me a link to this?

The more I reread this thread, the more I seem to have forgotten about.... I'm still learning, version 3 is by no means the last version, just what I think I have learnt, though by rereading this thread, it looks like I have forgotten some things & sometimes my brain is just pure lazy .... Also it is really difficult trying to gather all the information (so far) together in one place so I can see it and work it together if that makes sense. Hmmm. Question, Is angstrom the smallest anything can be? Is is just a measurement of distance i.e. Meter or can it be used for energy?

Ok so no worries, it wouldn't surprise me if I had missed something. Also, cool , I just learnt a little bit more about how this might work (or not lol) Thanks again

Thanks Mordred, I will. It seems I have missed some things you've posted. I get confused not just by my idea, trying to understand my idea with your guidance and implementing them as best I can but also the amount of information I am trying to take in while not being at a level of understanding to take them in lol.

Lets see what I've learnt from you nice people and the various sites I've read (and understood as much as I could) An Illogical Sense Of Order V3 Chapter 1 - The Third System or System 3 (short version) In it's very basic form, I see a boundary condition of one system meeting the boundary condition of another system and inbetween these 2 boundary conditions is a system formed from various Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions. I see this system & it's components as the very smallest (relativistic?) anything can be. System 1 & System 2 Merging System 1's Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions during and just after it's boundary condition and System 2's boundary condition Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions , between the 2 boundary conditions where both System 1 and System 2 Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions become entwined in upspins, downspins, strangeness and more (I haven'thave learnt 'more' at this time but so please bear with my lack of knowledge at this time). Not 50% System 1 boundary condition Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions and not 50% System 2 boundary condition Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies leakage?/collisions but instead graduating & merging from both states boundary conditions across their respective mediators/fields and going in both forward & backward, downward, upward & all other pissble directions accelerations and also creating more and all possible homogeneous, Isotropic, Inhomegenous & anistropic directions once the mediators merge from system 1 to system 2 - System 1 99.9% / System 2 0.01% Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions all the way through until eventually it becomes System 1 0.01% / System 2 99.9% and vice versa and possible in their Millions? Billions? Trillions? QuadZillions? Infinite until the Systems are changed/added to? This in itself it what I see as System 3. The System created by this ongoing merger between until one of the other 2 Systems is removed or another 1 or more is/are added. In my head, I think what I am seeing and tried to explain as a flux in my first attempt at explaining this, is the Fluctuation of all of these different events/scenarios happening at the same time as a whole. Like the inside of a golf ball if you will. Where does one rubber band start and finish???? And a golf ball is made up of quite a lot of rubber bands. I see System 3 as being created by 2 systems being next to each other but undeterminable starts or ends due to the vast amount of Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions, (VP remnants, the energy these ripples produce that lives on, even though the VP has been re absorbed/decayed) The VP's are absorbed/decay but the energy/energies/force? from their creation carries on as 'nothing' (or so I have read) cannot exist and this/these energ/energies (no matter how faint) are so small that they are literally one step away from being 'nothing'. This/these energy/energies created, create in their selves, another new state. Without knowing better at this time, I see this State as the one that as it grows and grows ands grows, possibly becomes DM & DE. I'll call this State/Sytem Unknown for now. I'll come back to it at the end to better explain how I see it working. State 1 / boundary condition 1 - Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions System 1. Item 2 boundary condition - Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions System 2. State 1 + State 2 Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions System, Homogeneous Isotropic, Inhomegoneous and Anistropic System 3. I see System 3 in the same way people shed their skin. Always happening. The System 3 between two boundary conditions is now phased or merged with each of the other boundary condition/constraints Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions mediators at all times while these 2 Systems are next to each other. As soon as one state is moved or removed, State 3, would change to assimilate the new 'pairing' of whatever they then ended up next to boundary condition to boundary condition. So now think about the room you are in and how many boundary condtitions/constraints are connected with, through & to each other & the new System 3 Hadrons, Leptons, Quarks, VP's, Fields and Energies quantum tunneling?/collisions being created. I see these new Systems as being everywhere all the time, wherever they are.... in us and our organs, blood, neurons, food, drink, liquids, gases,heat, vehicles, planets, Solar Systems, Galaxies & BH's as EVERYTHING in the universe appears to have a boundary condtion/constraint to me. So I hope I've made more sense with this now. I'm sure I have made some mistakes or maybe I haven't grasped the proper meanings of things and as I said before, I look forward to your feedback, advice, knowledge (should that be knowlboundary condition?) and tuition. The name An Illogical Sense Of Order is the name of my idea/book that goes from the above, through my perception (right or wrong) of organs, blood, neurons, food, drink, liquids, gases, heat, vehicles, planets, Solar Systems, Galaxies & BH's, etc to the universe itself as a container for all this. I'm probably very very wrong lol. So as mad I might have sounded, I will attempt to explain better my thoughts behind State/System Unknown. If memory serves, DM & DE are constant %'s. However the universe is expanding and speeding up. So hmmm, I found myself thinking there must be a driver, a fuel source or some sort to keep it that way. Otherwise, as the universe expands, wouldn't there be more DM & DE produced? Thus meaning an increasing rather constant amount of each? I was once told that regardless of the amount or rain, snow, ice or water was produced, that the quantity of 'water' was always the same. The % if you will. I don't know if that is true or not but for this explanation, I assume it is. It doesn't matter really, it's only used to better explain State Unknown. So (and I apologise for my lack of science knowledge) I'm wondering if this faint energy created in System 3, left over by the VP's created, is not only creating a Field but also the gravity and Mass as it grows in volume(I think that's the right word. On it's own, it wouldn't seem to do much at all but expanding that to the entire universe, could it not be large enough to have a gravitational influence, in a big enough volume? Could it cause gravity to exist itself? If something spins within it's Boundary condition (like a spinning top), does it create & cause gravity within the spinning top to keep it together in one spot? (more or less - that more or less is important to my thinking, again right or wrong) The Earth is spinning but also orbiting the sun. The Sun is also moving, Our Solar Sytem is moving (spinning?) And these are all spinning/moving in more or less the same spot? Our Galaxy is moving (spinning?) So on and so forth. Is the Universe spinning? Is it even possible to see that? I don't totally understand how this Gravity force was created to start with (the BB Itself) but perhaps the seriously hot BB created an enormous amount of collsions which then caused an enormous amount of a certain type of VP's which then left their very faint but enormous amounts of energy to go and produce what we see now and what will be created/destroyed in the future? In my thinking (I know it's probably wrong lol) I now see this VP energy as being THE thing that makes everything else happen. Maybe it is the cross section of a VP? maybe it's the cross section of the cross section of the VP? Maybe it's the cross section of the hahahaha, where does it end lol. My thinking doesn't mean that there is 'more' DM & DE as it were, just that more needs to be produced to allow the unviverse to expand & stays at the same %'s regardless. And that the universe cannot expand as it does without them but also that they cannot produce more energy if there isn't more universe to go into or perhaps the universe would swell up and go BANG! Hmmm I feel a gif coming on... Hopefully I have written this a bit better this time. I don't think I have enough understanding to prove it, just merely present it as the idea that came into my head one day, a couple of months ago. @Mordred Could this be a predertimined probabilistic randomness creation? Could it be tested with logical scientificaly proven theorised methods?

Thanks Modred, I'm going to have another crack at my original post again, see if I can't make a bit more sense with it Probably tomorrow or saturday. Appreciate all your help as usual. And may I ask where these free particles exist please? Are they just everywhere all the time and look like this? Is the photon the photon/electron field? Or a mediator for the quarks and electrons?

In this Feymann diagram Am I right in thinking the following? e+ is the positron e- is the electron t- time y photon q quark q- anti quark g gravity Oh and are these free particles? If not and they are part of an atom, how am I seeing this, where's the neucleas? And another thought If a VP existed long enough to be measured directly, would it be travelling at or faster than the speed of light?

So Fluctuations have no discernable beginning or end & Excitements do. Interesting thanks for the definition. Can VP's have a cross section that can be measured? And if they can, would they themselves collide with other VP's or VP cross sections? Or perhaps I'm grasping at nonsensical straws lol You'd never guess I was still trying to prove this tiny little 'whatever it is' I saw in my idea would you. I'm not sure how to do this. Is the x axis the horizontal always and the y axis is the veritcal? Forgive my naivety. Fascinating, I'm not sure exactly why and I don't understand all the symbols or the relevance but still...fascinating. Just a thought/question... Can an EM field be both positive and negative? I don't know why I'm even asking. Just interested for some reason my brain isn't telling me yet.

Thanks Studiot So hmm sorry to possibly repeat what you said, just trying to understand it better in my brain. The value is the same as the vector? Which in itself is the 'number' magnitude & direction of 'whatever' ? I think I get the coeffient thing, just have to try and remember it lol. Variable and constant! Hammers into my head. Variable and constant. The Universe is variable but DM/DE is constant? Hmm, would you please throw a couple of sums at me to see if I understand? Not too hard please.

Is a field excitation the ripple? And is the propogator action field the temp but permanent field caused by the ripples? excitements? Hmm sorry maybe I'm not totally understanding what you wrote. Is a field fluctuation the same as an excitement or ripple? ps. I just saw and read your post Early Universe Nucleosynthesis Mordred. Didn't understand any of it lol but then I'm nowhere near as clever as any of you on this forum. Just wanted to say you continue to astound me (you too Studiot) and makes me even more grateful for your time and effort. Hey Studiot, Still trying to understand this but I have some more questions please Can you give me few different types of magnitude please, it might help my head get round it a bit better. Is the following a maths field rather than a field that 'particles' respond to or create? Suprisingly such a placement is called a vector field. And what is the emboldened part of thie next sentance below? What does it mean? Coefficients can be much more complicated than a simple numeric multiplier, but they always multiply the quantity of interest. Thanks

Helloooo, More questions lol, So hmm..if a virtual particle ripple is created by 2 electrons banging into each other, is both re absorbed by the 2 electrons but also decays into a 'something'? If a VP ripple is a singular item (a 3rd state ) , does it then live in it's own temporary VP ripple scalar field? Do only leptons (electrons, Muons and Taus? - I hope I got that bit right) bang into each other this way? Or is it across the board, Neutrons, Positrons, Protons, Neutrinos and whatever else I haven't learnt about yet?. And if so (or even including other particles) could these collisions not only be causing the VP ripple (before being re absorbed) but also through decay?, creating a new field of some sort? A Kinetic/Massless field? Possibly temporary but permanent at the same time due to the constant collisions creating constant re absorbtion/decay Do Leptons re absorb the newly created energy from VP ripples? If fields are everywhere, would this be happening all the time and everywhere? So would predetermined probability predict this in some way? Could this be how DM is created? And perhaps DE? If the amout of DM and DE are a constant and don't get bigger or smalleras the expansion is getting faster and bigger, wouldn't they both need a constant fuel source for this to happen as it were? Especially if there truly can't be a state or system of 'nothing'?

Thanks Mordred, I'll have a look tomorrow. I actually stumbled across Partons the other day, can't recall exactly what I was reading but I remember that name. Have a good night, cya tomorrow.

Sorry, wires crossed, I was referring to the container on the side of a space craft. Lol you must have thought I was a bit crazy thinking I was talking about removing everything from the universe hahaha, my bad, sorry. I should have been more specific, it's so easy to lose track with all this. I get your description & definition though.

Ahh, so as soon as it went into a container, it woud be contaminated with whatever the container was made of or had inside, particles, fields for those particles and so on, so it still wouldn't be able to be defined? Or could it be defined by eliminating the other bits and whatever is left over is the DM? Hmm probably too simple maybe and after watching Sean Carrol and speaking with you folks, it seems nature doesn't do easy.

Could I also think of the universe as a self sustaining entity? Finite or not.

This joke isn't science related but it made me laugh and others when I told them. It also isn't my joke, I wish I could take credit for it but I can't. A saleswoman calls a household and a little boy answers it. He whispers "Hello? Who's that?" The saleswoman replies " I'm calling on behalf of my company, can I speak to your mum please?" The little boy again whispers "No, she's busy" So the saleswoman asks if she can speak to his dad. The little boy again whispers "No, he's busy too" A little confused, the saleswoman asks if there are any other adults in the house she can speak to. Once again the little boy whispers "Yes the firemen but they're busy too" The saleswoman is becoming concerned now and asks if there are any other adults in the house. The little boy yet again whispers "Yes the police but they're busy too" The saleswoman doesn't know what to think or who to ask for to speak to, so asks the little boy what they are all busy doing. The little boy again whispers "They're trying to find me"

Interesting, can I think of this as predertimined probabilistic randomness creation tested with logical scientificaly proven theorised methods? Thanks Modred, it was just a thought and also kind of helps me in a way..I think...maybe..hmm lol