julius2

You don't think he has expertise?

I don't particularly like or dislike Elon. He is at times the richest man in the world. Good to see some future thought about where we are heading. It may not be good news but hopefully there are some "nice" times as well. For example the "peace years". Any thoughts on how many years we have left? Homo sapiens have been on earth 300,000 years it appears. I am guessing we might have 180,000 years left?? Who knows what happens to Industrialised Worlds..... What is the meaning of all this if we spend thousands of years developing into an Industrialised World only to decline again and live a slow death...

Well, just looking at recent history with the Industrial Revolution in the 1800s. And then numerous technological advances in the 1900s and now in the 200s. More of earth's resources are being used such as oil etc. And earth's resources are finite. Even Elon Musk mentioned he is not looking forward to a world with depleted resources hence his push to explore further e.g Mars. But we are still relatively early in time so we are all very optimistic. Hoping someday, someone will stumble across the next big thing for humanity to move on to. I guess we are lucky in that respect. A more tribal way of living might not be a bad thing. We would use less of earth's resources. And probably last thousands of years as a result. Maybe towards the end, people rely again on fire for warmth, cooking and some kind of modified agriculture to sustain.

Good question. I am thinking the next 1,000 years to the year 3000. No doubt we expect technology to keep developing, nuclear fusion, AI etc. But what about the resources of the planet. Will we have solar farms everywhere as oil runs out? A world devoid of resources as they have all been depleted over thousands of years. And going "back" to a more tribal way of living - after probably an age of wars amongst people. etc. That's not much to go on. What do you mean?

Aside from evolution, but related to Time, does anyone have an opinion on where our world is heading? My guess is that we are heading towards an "Old World" unless we find something fantastic in the universe first.....

Aside from evolution, but related to Time, does anyone have an opinion on where our world is heading? My guess is that we are heading towards an "Old World" unless we find something fantastic in the universe first.....

A question, how come we don't see much development in living species on earth today? I mean in evolution there was a change from fish to walking fish say..... We don't see that degree of change today, do we?

Thanks for the info. I looked at a tetrapod phylogeny. If we look at lungfish / eusthenopteron and further on. Ichthyos tega / Human, how are these species changing? Are we relying on genetic mutations which happen by chance in a population etc. My hypothesis is that Time has played a guiding role in getting these species to evolve. Yes. Theistic evolution fills a gap. But where does the role of Time come in to play? Where does God fit in relation to Time? Is God real?

Further detail on evolution: My hypothesis looks at what has evolved horse / giraffe horse / elephant These animals are roughly similar (compared to say a bird). I envisage in evolution that there might have been a "base animal" one with 4 legs, a heart, lungs, neck etc But then this "base animal" evolved with a "helping hand" from Time, to be a horse. And with a "helping hand" the base animal evolved to be a giraffe. The contribution of earth is to provide an environment with which these "changing species" can evolve. i.e. even with a "helping hand" it would still take many years to see the diversity of animals we see today. To rely on genetic mutations, natural selection - just doesn't seem feasible. I have looked at a phylogenetic tree which seems to branch earth life into some grouping - vetebrata / chordata, arthropoda, mollusca. Just to give a view of diversity of life in this world: lizard / crocodile fish / whale / seal cat / lion / panther bird / eagle /hawk elephant / grizzly bear / polar bear / tiger / lion

So iin summary, and I know all these threads can be hard to follow, but the way I see it: Time dimension / Time vector encompasses the Big Bang through to earth development Earth's timescale includes the evolution of species including that of people (humans) Is there a longer time vector than currently known by 21st century science? (past) longer vector, history in Time. (disputed) what would a longer time vector encompass? There appears to be no "evidence" of a longer time vector. Therefore it doesn't exist... (future) longer vector, space science (universe exploration) - giving a future for mankind time science (proposed), indicating interaction with a Time domain

Does not affect space. If there is indeed another time vector, different to that of the inextricable continuum, the question is how would one access such a time vector? It is a difficult question to answer, but I hope to answer it one day. I agree, the universe as we know it evolved into the inextricable continuum. But the problem with this is that scientists are only able to design experiments using elements from the "inextricable continuum". ie. It would be hard to imagine, I agree a case where someone could access anything else. Does this make sense?

It is not really a guess. The basic concept is that evolution has occurred on earth. That I agree. But I believe there has also been an evolution in Time. This forms a "backdrop" to life we see today. Unfortunately I don't have proof, and it is unlikely that will ever be possible. You are right, the whole thing is a puzzle. There are some pieces. But takes some patience to see the "big picture".

I am saying, broadly agree that evolution (obviously) did happen but to see so much diversity in Earth from processes like "natural selection" is a bit rich. The timescale everyone has in mind (in general) is from the Big Bang to now (over 13 billion years). I propose a longer timescale, going back. But also going forwards as well. How does this work in practice? Any items on a long timescale may or are likely to act in a continuing manner on the long timescale. To put things in perspective, Earth's evolution (life and the earth itself) would be just a portion of this long timescale. The trick is to provide some sort of empirical evidence of such a concept. How do we go from the first micro-organisms to the variety and diversity of the earth today. All plant species, trees, flowers, grasses etc. Then life species, fish, whales, reptiles, humans etc. ? Sorry I don't have time to read detailed science textbooks - but a quick enlightenment might help..... In a more "speculative" manner I propose "evolution" not just for this current world (Earth), but in Time. So beings evolved, other fundamental components of a human beings makeup. But this is just speculation and would be in the past. But a fascinating concept IF it is true.

Evolution happened earlier in Earth's time. But there may be a bigger timescale.

atoms as to objects. (Current universe / time) X as to Y. (T previous) T as to Z. (T previous) See how in previous "time" things might have been very different even "strange" Ie can you always assume things will always be like atoms?

Unfortunately I am not the best physicist in the world. If there was "matter" before the Big Bang and it did not get completely destroyed by the Big Bang, it would still be out there right? I am guessing it would be "between the molecules" (undetected). I don't know what 13 billion years does to space / matter that existed before the BB. It would be strange I am guessing. Our current science uses people on a planet in the current universe, and we are trying to explain a lot (e.g. all of time itself). So it is entirely possible it is not completely right......

Yes, updating is good.

Time (the ages of time), is acting in the background in this world. We trust scientists so much and to be so correct. Weren't these the same species (homo sapiens) that once thought that the sun revolved around the earth?

Following on from my concept on Time, certain things "fall out" from the theory. For example early humans would have existed in time, evolving from the apes which I agree with. But I propose the evolution was quick helped along by a "substance" not yet discovered by scientists. This would explain why we have not been able to find fossils showing the GRADUAL changes which is absurd. My theory also tries to understand the present and takes a guess at humankind's future. For example, will we ever be able to conquer outer space??? The distances are just too far. Are people hoping for travel at light speed or teleportation???

If I understand the original statement, this would be 1000 exact copies of earths? And then rely on chaos theory to create the variations in time? But if you mean 1000 copies of earths but each with different land masses, and different composition of minerals that would be different. For example if 1 of these earths didn't have iron ore, the production of steel would never come about, and we wouldn't have cars.....

It is absurd to think that this is the FIRST time ever to have existed. But as the discussion shows, even if we discover anything it is in the past. Nothing can be done about it. However, we live in a time system.

Thanks studiot for your welcome and comments. I understand people on here are trying to help. I just hope not to be too much of a pain! Thanks for your mathematical analysis. I guess t (time) would be "funny" closer to the BB? I take it we need the space coordinates x, y, z to be relatively stable before t starts running?? The problem is we are studying the universe within the current time. If we could somehow "step outside" our current time (ie that of the universe). Is this potentially mind bending? Yes, this is more the gist of what I was trying to get to. Note time (small t) in these posts tends to refer to relativistic time. Whereas my 'time' is Time (big T). But this would suggest an axis not defined by relativity (??) Sorry, in terms of earth worlds. I mean a world (back in time) which developed like ours. Not a rocky desert planet but populated. With people similar to us. ie they had cities just like us, they had cars just like us. I wonder what their stories would have been, if they had ever existed at all... I What I meant to say in my response is that I see the universe as a temporary object contained by time. (where time here = Time + u. time)

I agree, north of the North Pole is space. Concept of a time curtain. Imagine, the beginning of the current universe being a curtain in time. But if we were able to look behind this curtain, what would we see? My guess is that we would see lots of Time! Past worlds, past life etc. We are very used to our own universe with our own fundamental particles (atoms, spherical planets etc). I propose that Time has not always looked like this! Although 13 billion years is a very long time since the Big Bang, I propose a "longer axis". My theory (although unsubstantiated) proposes that time got weary and old and needed to be destroyed. Hence the Big Bang where everything got destroyed and started again. My theory probably more closely includes a type of external inflation, except not spawning universes but Time(s).

I am posting this new topic as I don't see any existing topics in this forum. The topic I would like to discuss is that of Time (with a big T). My ideas are a bit new, at least I couldn't find much existing on forums. And surprised by this. In essence it deals with what existed before the "Big Bang". Living in the real world much is based on scientific evidence and it would be hard to "see" before the Big Bang as everything would be compressed right? But based upon an experience I had, it seems that time has existed for a very very very long time. This long time I call Time. Extending way back before the Big Bang. An potential question is, is this the first earth world ever to have existed? I am sure people would be amazed and curious to discover previous earth worlds similar to our own. There are a lot of implications coming out of my idea. But first I am curious why not much is even considered about time before the Big Bang. As if our current universe is the start of time itself. In dealing with TIme we are dealing with something quite sentimental. Early beings, very different in form to our own. Also, vast periods of time of almost nothing, time seemingly to go on endlessly. Also the concept of defects in Time. Since Time would go on for a very very long time, almost infinite, the concept that Time itself would develop defects. And if our current universe / world a clue as to fixing these Time defects? Anyone with any thoughts of the above, I would be keen to hear from. Cheers