Glancer

4 minutes ago, exchemist said:

By the way, "common sense" is a lousy guide to either QM or GR. Both were developed by rigorously following the observations, without preconceptions.   

The answer to what spacetime is made of is right in front of  you, but (and I don't want to hurt your feelings), there is a bunch of junk that has been dumped on top of Modern Physics (which is correct).  All the stuff about superstrings, LQG and MWI is total garbage told to you by a priesthood of mathematicians who just want to control you.

Modern physics, GR, SR, QM, particle physics, Standard model, are all correct. 

Superstrings and loops are garbage.  There is a problem built into those theories that completely falsifies them.

6 minutes ago, exchemist said:

By the way, "common sense" is a lousy guide to either QM or GR. Both were developed by rigorously following the observations, without preconceptions.   

There is only one way to interpret QM and GR.  You interpret them in a way that leads to a Quantum Gravity theory that, in turn, leads to warp field generators. 

Anything else is just shoving garbage into your brain.

If you had the intelligence, you would challenge my ideas; not deduct points from me like some feckless theorist with no imagination.

There is one necessary characteristic that a quantum gravity theory needs.  But you physics theorists can't seem to figure it out.  Even though established physics gives you lots and lots of clues.

We argue.  I punch holes in Loop Quantum Gravity, because I know what the "loops" should be replaced with.

But you guys can't have that conversation because your Common Sense was written over with LQG mathematical bulls*** that divides by zero more times than...

Look, I'm not trying to hurt your feelings.  I'm just trying to help you figure out what's wrong with your quantum gravity theory. 

I'm starting to get the impression that this is supposed to be a science forum, but nobody here really understands Loop Quantum Gravity enough to understand what is wrong with it and  how it doesn't fit with actual empirical observations.  Maybe you should be emailing whoever created it and tell THEM that something doesn't add up.

10 minutes ago, exchemist said:

Mechanical energy can be converted into non-mechanical forms of energy, e.g. chemical or electrical energy. So it is obvious that mechanical energy is not conserved. 

Conservation of energy refers to any kind of energy, not just mechanical.  Your knowledge of physics is corrupted.

If you put a mathematical theory based on elements with no experimental reality (strings, LQG, MWI) then you should get a CAT scan.  Or even better, you should go find some source of Common Sense, maybe a book about common sense, and read it.

14 minutes ago, exchemist said:

Yes, it's curious. It rather looks to me as if he wants to get banned, perhaps (I speculate) in order to reinforce a worldview of victimisation by woke atheists, or some such Trumpy paranoia. At least, that's what comes across. Either that or he's just a random loony with "issues". Anyway, I expect he'll get his wish eventually.  

Let me tell you what I want.  I want you to abandon the garbage philosophies and "theories" that are based on common sense violating nonsense. 

QM and GR actually do make sense if you look at them without all the baggage.

24 minutes ago, Markus Hanke said:

irst of all, spacetime isn’t some kind of physical substance that “expands” in the literal sense, like bread in the oven. Rather, it is a network of causality relations - the set of all points in space at all moments in time, and how they are related to one another. When we speak of “expansion”, then what we mean is that measurements of distance depend on time, ie they change in a certain well defined way according to when they are performed. This is an extremely useful and accurate model, but shouldn’t be reified into something like a physical “substance”.

OMG!  Everything you claim to know about big bang expansion is completely corrupted with nonsense. 

I would be happy to explain my Expanding Graviton theory after your LQG theory is revealed to be a Frankenstein monster.

 

27 minutes ago, Markus Hanke said:

LQG deals with something called “Wilson loops”. These are mathematical objects that are solutions, simply speaking, to an equation that treats spacetime as a quantum state. These loops are not themselves “chunks” of space and time - rather, they form networks called spin foams, which, in the semi classical limit, may become curved spacetimes with a positive cosmological constant. So yes, they do actually describe an expanding spacetime.

Show me the experiment that proves that "wilson loops" are not some fantasy, some made up baloney.

 

30 minutes ago, Markus Hanke said:

No. They are 1-dimensional objects that live in a background spacetime with 3 macroscopic spatial dimensions, 1 dimension of time, and 7 compactified dimensions.

So you have this ackward model of 1D objects that are not even related to actual spacetime in some natural coherent way.  And you need 7 compactified dimensions that we should just take on faith, just so that your theory doesn't die of awkwardness.  

 

32 minutes ago, Markus Hanke said:

Physics has nothing to say on any of these issues.

The proposition that Intelligent Design is true means that the best and most efficient engineering capability will be employed to create the universe.  It will work like beautiful engineering design, not like some Frankenstein theory with 13 compactified dimensions.  Do you even realize where the word "compactified" comes from?  The word 'compactify" is used to describe fecal material that is too dense to be able to pass easily. 

12 minutes ago, Markus Hanke said:

Spacetime isn’t a mechanical medium, so this is irrelevant. 

Also, it might surprise you to hear that the law of conservation of energy exists only in flat spacetime - in the presence of gravity, things become rather more complicated.

Show me the experiment that supports your incredibly dubious claim.

And don't tell me any superstring theory bologna, because all that baloney is made up.

1 hour ago, Endy0816 said:

Either deity is not very good at it and therefore not especially worthy of worship, nonexistent, or is purely limited to setting up the laws of physics. I think people should come to their own decisions in regards however.

I can't argue about someone's opinion who recognises that the laws of physics were set up; just not to your liking. 

 

The whole idea of evolution as the cause of how life began to exist is just a funny joke!  I mean, seriously, if you don't clean your room, do you think your underwear and dirty socks will evolve into some creature???!!!  LMAO!!

I can think of 50 things off the top of my head that improved with intelligent design (engineers and talented entrepreneurs).

I'm not even sure what the actual line of bologna is that convinces otherwise intelligent people to believe that life happened by accident.  If you know that bologna, please tell me!  How do atheists think that life came to exist?

What happened to all the people here who knew physics?  It's like dead around here.

24 minutes ago, MigL said:

You should learn some first ...

You didn't know that Conservation of Mechanical energy is physics?

5 minutes ago, MigL said:

I don't think anyone has, as there is no such thing.
Quit wasting forum bandwith with idiocy.

Why the hurt feelings?  I was only trying to talk about physics.

Seriously.  I do think that the surviviablity of the human race is in danger because people like this are allowed to go "un-offended".  It's like motorists who have no intention to hit anyone, but then some attention seeking person stands in the middle of the road because their feelings are hurt and they need all the motorists to pay attention to them.  We have no wish to offend you.  Just don't act all high and mighty with your lame theories and then be prejudiced and hostile toward people who think that God did it. 

Admit that your theories are baloney, they don't work, and they are built upon a false premise, a no Intelligent Design premise.

On 8/1/2022 at 8:23 PM, MigL said:

Whether a property can be positive or negative, or simply an 'accounting' trick, or whether it even makes sense to consider energy on a global scale, is for people with better minds than mine to consider.

It could be an accounting trick.  In the same way that KE_i + PE_i = KE_f + PE_f. 

The kinetic energy of the big bang is KE = EBB (energy of the big bang).  Potential energy of curvature of spacetime equals zero. 

I assume you know where I"m going with this.  If I have to explain, it means you've never studied Conservation of Mechanical energy.

1 hour ago, studiot said:

Speak for yourself and the handful of other like minded people.

The rest of the seven and three-quarter billion people on the planet have more pressing concerns.

I am speaking for everyone else of like mind; all 7 billion of us.  We all want to explore.  There are no solutions down here.

1 hour ago, Markus Hanke said:

How do you know that they don’t?

Loop quantum gravity is based on the idea of a ringlet mesh.  Ringlet meshes don't expand. Superstrings are just vibrating 11 dimensional strings (although no experiment has verified the existence of 11 dimensions.).  Strings just vibrate.  They don't expand either.

1 hour ago, Phi for All said:

This fantasy probably makes you feel better, but it's not the way it works here. Your post/thread was reported and reviewed, and because I hadn't been an active participant, it fell to me to close the thread. My reaction was to the poor job you did trying to persuade the other members of your points versus the adamancy with which you made them. You have a horrible signal-to-noise ratio as a discussion participant. Your posts are very blog-like, as if you don't expect your science to be challenged by reasoning people.

The rest of your comment made me yawn. I don't find you interesting, sorry. I wouldn't need to if you made sense or did anything to help me dispel my own ignorance, but you don't. So far, big PITA to the volunteer staff, nothing interesting to me as a member.

You are like the dirt on a cable that is losing signal because of the dirt.  The dirt doesn't understand what the signal is.  The signal was correct.  The universe and all of its life is actually pretty happy.  It's the people like yourself, down on Earth, who are too miserable, bitter, vindictive; it is people like you who don't want anyone to laugh because life is so serious.  Unhappy civilizations die off.  I pray to whatever intelligence will hear my prayers that people like you... learn to not take life so seriously.

The biggest problem here on Earth is that there are people who don't want to laugh, don't think it's appropriate to make a joke.  They are taught that there is no afterlife or that life is limited, or that God doesn't exist or is otherwise out to get them.  There kind of physics theorist philosophy is extremely damaging to the health of a civilization. 

You should take pity on yourselves, as humans, and burn all your philosophy books.  You should wear "I love Jesus" shirts.  Or even "I love sacred crystals!  They make me happy!"

The lack of imagination in your physics theories is the proof that your philosophies are not helping you.

Seriously, what does it take to teach a human civilization that being miserable all the time is not healthy.  It's no way to go through life.  Just because you don't agree with your early religions (who were not willing to suffer a party pooper) doesn't mean you can't get along with people now whom you don't agree with. 

From the bottom of my heart, I hope you find a good wholesome reason to laugh, laugh like you were 6 years old again.

Everything I've said in the thread that was closed is consistent with thinking the way aliens think.  We should try to laugh more.  We should be less sensitive.  Maybe not work so hard and be so serious about everything. 

2 hours ago, Phi for All said:

This fantasy probably makes you feel better, but it's not the way it works here. Your post/thread was reported and reviewed, and because I hadn't been an active participant, it fell to me to close the thread. My reaction was to the poor job you did trying to persuade the other members of your points versus the adamancy with which you made them. You have a horrible signal-to-noise ratio as a discussion participant. Your posts are very blog-like, as if you don't expect your science to be challenged by reasoning people.

The rest of your comment made me yawn. I don't find you interesting, sorry. I wouldn't need to if you made sense or did anything to help me dispel my own ignorance, but you don't. So far, big PITA to the volunteer staff, nothing interesting to me as a member.

What I posted was an honest assessment of what aliens think of the humans like yourself, the atheist academic physics theorists who have thousands of awful TOE's and Quantum Gravity theory that are all experimentally useless.  I think that deep down,  you have given in to your cynicism and this is how you will live out your life.

10 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

Um no, actually this site is pretty good at pointing out when people are wrong as well as confirming when they are correct. You can learn quite a bit by being wrong but you have to own it. 

I don't think they know what is right and what is wrong.  They rely too much on mathematical equations and not enough on experimental data.  They even ignore experimental data.  If you think they are right, then you also rely too much on math and not enough on experimental data.

You would think that someone, out of all of those tens of thousands of string theory and loop quantum gravity papers written based on all that math.  You would think that one person would have noticed that superstrings and quantum loops can't be what spacetime is made of.  Spacetime expands at the speed of light.  Superstrings and quantum loops are like Cheerio loops stuck to a mesh.  They don't behave like an expanding universe.

This is an example of the kind of flawed thinking that cannot be relied upon to lead the way to interstellar travel.  You are too anchored to black holes which are too heavy to move.  What gives?

9 minutes ago, Glancer said:

You can learn quite a bit by being wrong but you have to own it.

You can learn even more by being right and following the best models you can find.

When did this place become such a ghost town?

2 minutes ago, Moontanman said:

Damn, and everyone thinks I'm full of shit. 

They are wrong about a lot of stuff.

10 minutes ago, Phi for All said:

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Moderator Note

The Sandbox is for testing LaTex and other visual techniques. 

 

Angry? About your baloney? It would have to be interesting first.

You looked and you reacted about the bologna comment.  You got mad.  Then you closed the thread. 

But seriously, two pounds of bologna is very expensive these days.  That could be $20 in some places.  You should be pleased that I think someone's opinion is worth that much!

The aliens are asking that we met them in the vibration of truth, wisdom, compassion.  Wave functions like to conform to the potential energy of their suroundings just as if it were a mathematical solution trying to be solved in the presence of a potential energy configuration.  Well, not to get too technical, but you can direct your consciousness to exist within a certain vibration of consciousness.  Let all intentions flow from a common point of truth, wisdom and compassion, if you are willing to meet us there.

Be advised that we will slip in little mis-directs in our jokes.  Watch that the joke might flatter you when you were expecting an insult.

1 minute ago, Phi for All said:

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Moderator Note

Moved from The Sandbox to The Lounge.

 

Are you still angry about last night?  I mean, about the baloney?

Does anyone think that my version of the truth is a little pointy?  I mean, I try to make jokes.  But they don't seem to get them. 

Okay, I'll treat the physics community like a human being.  The only reason why I get on your nerve is because I don't like what you're researching.  We are (the Earth) are trying to get back on track for the race to interstellar space exploration.  We literally need any hint we can find to get quantum gravity.  If that means we have to lovingly remind the physics community that they need to be aligned with us on this goal, then by gosh, we will poke every nerve they have <that's a joke>.  You have no idea how often jokes are used to ease tensions between the many races and planets.  If you can't take a joke, you are encouraged to learn.  There are more jokes in the universe than photons.

This is why the aliens avoid making contact.  What happens if the aliens make a joke and the human gets mad?  Are you going to aim your nuclear missiles at us?  So, now it is revealed to the source of our concern.  If you can't take a joke, then maybe nobody bothered to explain to you what it is.

Jokes our how we learn to get along with each other.  If someone gets mad at a joke, it means there is something hurting there, and we focus our care and concern.  That is how jokes work.

In contrast, what swansont does is he hears a joke, but doesn't return a joke.  I mean, seriously, how can you not laugh at a name like swansont?  I mean, do swans even get colds?

So basically, the aliens are here to advise the science community, that we will avoid making communication with you if we think you will be hostile towards us.  It shouldn't take a physics forum moderator to figure that out.  We don't have resources to live out your little Star Trek fantasies where we just flying around the galaxy and blows things up on my neighbor's planet.  It's hard to get the "warp drive juice", the Element 115 or whatever you call the idea.  I don't even know what the substance really is, maybe it's not even an element.  It's the basic idea or concept that it takes "fuel" of a kind to visit you on Earth.  We're not going to come to Earth so you can point your boom sticks at us.  We'll visit our friends, and then we'll go.  But while we're here, we'll scan your planet for universities and great learning is taking place; and attempt to visit.  So what does a university looks like on the brain wave scanner?  And who doesn't know what their gender is?  What kind of an education system doesn't teach their children about gender?  As I recall, wasn't there a UFO that landed at an elementary school in Africa?  All of the kids watched the flying saucer and described the event to public officials.  So when you ask:  why don't UFOs land at universities?  The answer is:  we found the highest potential for learning on the planet Earth. 

34 minutes ago, joigus said:

Human interest:

The human potential to imagine, to invent, fill in the missing details, and propagate false belief plays out in many different ways. But generally there is a big human motivation behind all these stories. I've seen this craze go on and off for many years now. I'm a child of the sixties. The amount of books, films, magazines etc sold is a factor that shouldn't be taken lightly.

How the brain works:

There are rigorous scientific studies that go to prove that our memory does not work at all like a video camera, which is what our intuition tells us. Our memory edits these impressions in the hippocampus and makes up a story according to different "interests" that may be convenient to different purposes or internal needs.

You lost my interest when the gaslighting started. 

30 minutes ago, exchemist said:

So she went into the garden to cut a cabbage leaf, to make an apple pie; and at the same time a great she-bear coming up the street, pops its head into the shop. 'What! no soap?' So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber; and there were present the Picninnies, and the Joblillies, and the Garyulies, and the grand Panjandrum himself, with the little round button at top; and they all fell to playing the game of catch as catch can, till the gunpowder ran out at the heels of their boots.

Where is the funny part.  It doesn't even look like you tried to insert anything funny.  Do you act stupid to entertain yourself?

43 minutes ago, exchemist said:

So she went into the garden to cut a cabbage leaf, to make an apple pie; and at the same time a great she-bear coming up the street, pops its head into the shop. 'What! no soap?' So he died, and she very imprudently married the barber; and there were present the Picninnies, and the Joblillies, and the Garyulies, and the grand Panjandrum himself, with the little round button at top; and they all fell to playing the game of catch as catch can, till the gunpowder ran out at the heels of their boots.

You have hurt feelings all over where your humor is supposed to be.  May you find a joke so funny, that it beaks off all of the hurt feelings.

11 hours ago, TheVat said:

According to skeptical author Robert Sheaffer, "the 'phenomenon' at Skinwalker is almost certainly illusory. Not only was the several years long monitoring of 'Skinwalker' by NIDS unable to obtain proof of anything unusual happening, but also, the people who owned the property prior to the Shermans, a family whose members lived there 60 years, deny that any mysterious 'phenomena' of any kind occurred there". Sheaffer says "the parsimonious explanation is that the supernatural claims about the ranch were made up by the Sherman family prior to selling it to the gullible Bigelow". Sheaffer wrote that many of the more extraordinary claims originated solely from Terry Sherman, who worked as a caretaker after the ranch was sold to Bigelow.^[10]

In 1996, skeptic James Randi awarded Bigelow a Pigasus Award for funding the purchase of the ranch and for supporting John E. Mack's and Budd Hopkins' investigations. The award category designated Bigelow as "the funding organization that supported the most useless study of a supernatural, paranormal or occult".^[11]

This doesn't look anything like reliable evidence.  This looks like a character assassination against someone who you don't like or agree with. 

1 hour ago, joigus said:

Accounts of centaurs, IMO, probably had their origin several thousand years BCE from real facts, when the first peoples to domesticate horses swept across the Eurasian steppe in East-West direction. The first agriculturalists who saw this must have been terrified by these warriors (the Yamnaya), and haunted by visions of horses whose business end was a human torso with an axe in one hand. They had no previous experience of anything like that.

The first accounts probably included some phrasing like "half horse, half human."

By the time all peoples of Europe are used to the sight of warriors riding horses, they understand what they see now, but the initial story of these hybrid creatures already has a life of its own. You can now re-edit the story --socially-- and make these centaurs benefactors of the human kind, spreading good will; or you can turn them into demons, or whatever the wishful thinking of the times takes them to be.

Reason and evidence are paramount. You cannot build objective knowledge only from witness accounts.

It's all your opinion and not worth two pounds of bologna.

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Okay, we'll make fun of someone else.  How about urangtaings?  They put their finger <edited out for your safety>.

They aliens say they take full responsibility for anthing that I've said that the moderator might not like.  I mean, anyone who looks like a mean tyranical wizard can't be too <edited to... he's o kay.>

No, if a joke came through, no I don't know which way swansnot would run.  Yes, I checked the spelling.

What if aliens looked like delicious icecream cones?  Would we eat them?  What if aliens looked cheese cake?  Or delcious cookies!  Mmmmm!!!! Would you eat us? 

Aliens wonder how much glitter we should throw on the skeptics before they believe in us?  No you can't see my proof.  Take me out for dinner if you want to see that.!

Me as a human, I pity humanity that they have so many idiots with a microphone <edited>  ... 

In a no tech zone, who would eat who first?  The alien?  Or the human?

How moral do humans want aliens to be?  I mean, you do eat cows, and we try to carve them up the way we think you like your meat.  You call it cattle mutilations.  That's not a charitable thing to say about the lunch we brought you.

Your cow was the only cow we had to mutilate prepare for a great feast.

I thought I should remind everyone why we should look to the aliens as our superiors.  They are us with lots of glitter.  Except the creepy ones

If I had to imagine what aliens thought of us

Nuckle bump deployed.  Aliens say to treat skeptics and theorists like someone who tripped over their rake and thought they saw quantum gravity.

Can anyone figure out how we could make the world better?  I mean, we could pray to our Gods and ask them to be less demanding.  Jesus is like, "you haven't heard from me since the age of Judah.  How can I praise you if you don't deserve it. if only you would try to consider both sides, the way a scale decides.  You can't just choose what you personally want to happen.

Tell me that there is still some part of your human consciousness that is still receptive to dazzle!  I will send you some glitter!  It will be real.  Every atom was real.

Does GOD have absolute time.  The answer is, only applicable to creation, the one you live in.  Your speed of light c is absolute, what can change is length contract and time dilation. 

No, I don't think theoreticians would understand if GOD himself tried to explain how he set it up.  I am 100% certain that 50% of them would take no notice. The other 50% would complain about how life is less fun since we left the trees and the bananas behind.

The Higher alien races send humanity love and light, with lots of woo on top. 

And yes, God does exist.  He's my great unkcle, high up about a bazillion decedants.  God loves you.  Please don't blow up the Earth, that's where we put our "special" plants.

Alien tells me "hope they believe all the data about quantum gravity and warp drives" is enough to convince them they should listen to what you say, even wheth the fingers are just typing...

Aliesn are using my fingers now.  I'm just watching them type something about:  if it's dark and brown in your immediate surounding, it means your head is up your ...  Go outside and look at the geometry of the UFOs.  We are geometry revealing ourselves to you.  But do both of you have physical form?  Mmmm...  Okay, that part was just some women's DNA about how to survive the species of "men".

Make us love the human species and we will give you more babies.>>> Cynics want to see more flashy flashy UFO thingies.  Cynics want real physical evidence.  You know, the kind you really like... Please don't ban me!!!  I am not in control of my fingers! 

I need to ask.  Do cynics like cynicism?  Or are you just tired of being told:  it's your fault.

I really need to know.  Is your complete and total daftness an act?  Or are you playing around? I mean, you're smarter than ...  I keep breaking my antenna everytime I try to think like them. 

Thinking like a skeptic is like to trying to think... how stupid are these people... that we have to give them so many clues, but they act like their afraid of them.

Every time someone gives a skeptic a clue, they jump!  And act like someone bit them in the ass!

Like a giant cosmic don't from space!  Like it's going to eat you and see if you taste good.  Maybe better than a cow.

The question is, do aliens know enough about skeptics to get them to laugh.  I mean, what does it take to convince a human, that you and I should meet.

if the aliens come down in a craft, and the skeptic is just standing there, should we yell!  Hey you!

Sorry to bother you,  We're the aliens.  Don't shoot at us.  We just want to know if you'd like to hang out and be friends.  Maybe have a BBQ, drink bear, complain about how Alpha Centuries Ms. Beauty queen is a fat ass with 8 giant tentacles that suck.

But not like the queen of the alpha sector whose face looks like something the dog spit out.

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Do you ever wonder if ants think about the cosmos?  Or do they just wander off into illusions of romance with that Borg queen!  EW!

EDITED OUT FOR YOUR SAFETY.  NOT ANOTHER CRITICISM ABOUT YOUR INTELLIGENCE. 

Do aliens make fun of human's ability to describe the theoretical universe..

Humans do "yo mama jokes"

Do aliens make "yo human jokes"?

Aliens answer:  only the tasty ones.

If you don't laugh, we'll invade your planet.

Yes, I am quite sure if I made any funnier jokes, I'd be banned for trying to think.

I think the jokes are funny.  I just don't think they're funny.  Or maybe funny in strange ways.   Do theykil comedians on Earth?

There are two ways to get stoned on Earth.  One is for doing something illegal.

I will try to make only safe jokes now.

Did you hear about the safe that ran away?  It's safe now. 

The aliens want to know why so much of our entertainment is violent.  Why would we want to watch the news too. 

The answer is:  humans don't have much of a selection in entertainment,...  On another random thought:  human physicists are doing great at their jobs!  Now they have 50 million versions of super string theory.  Maybe humans should be reclassified at cats, cause they like balls of yarn.

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No, I don't think Earth should be blown up because of the theoretical physics community.  No I don't think it's an act of kindness.

 

 

Maybe theoretical physicists are just 180 deg out of phase, and drifted into the Astral plane.

Do atheists sleep?  Clearly they do.

Under coconut trees, where the complaints  do not go.

 

Complain to a theorist, and soon you will see,

they don't care that you whine and you cry,

like some spoiled kid with a desire to conversate...,

Aliens have said that they have studied human intelligence, the smartest of your speicies: THE theorecical physicists.

No.  The aliens don't think you should be destroyed or disintigrated for our entertainment.  Can you sing?  We get bored easily.

Aliens are not thinking about dropping an asteroid on you.  We would never thing such a terrible thing.  No I'm not lying.

No!  I don't know if atheists think their thoughts smell like farts.  Well, have you met Richard Dawkins?  He doesn't believe in you either. 

Just remember.  If you're reading this now, it's probably early morning, and you're just dreaming that you're reading this.

 

Of course aliens don't like to humans.  Their eyes are too big.

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Do aliens think that human theorists theory are stupid?  Never would we be that impolite.  We would just smile politely.  Like someone *toot*

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What would happen if all atheists and skeptics abandoned their disbelief in everything.  And their were really pretty girls, and glitter. 

The real truth was hidden by a secret.  Atheists and skeptics are slowing us down.  It's like having sand in your axle, it grinds you down with stupid meaningless concerns about woo.  No, I've never wondered if skeptics, atheists and physics theorists should be demoted back down to gorilla, as if it was an improvement.  No, I don't know where they keep their brains.

9 hours ago, joigus said:

Do they punch people in the face too? Maybe kangaroos are behind it.

LOL!!! 

9 hours ago, joigus said:

Here's another idiom that you may be interested in: jumping to conclusions. Other names for the fallacy that's operating behind it are "just so" stories, ad hoc arguments or associative logic. From Google:

Well I suppose you would prefer or more mundane explanation, but when rockets are fired into the air and then UFOs show up, what would be your first guess? 

 

10 hours ago, joigus said:

Carl Sagan has a beatiful example in his book (and TV series) Cosmos of how even scientists in a not to remote past used similar arguments to surmise that Venus must be populated by dinosaurs. The logical fallacies are plain to see for anybody who's familiar with logical fallacies.

Humans have been inventing outlandish explanations for unexplained phenomena for at least 11'000 years. It's all a recurring theme: Beings from another level of existence visit us and affect our lives.

I'm not saying that there aren't phenomena that cannot be explained by current science. There are.

I'm not even gonna touch your argument about parallel universes.

Back to you.

Yeah!  There is actually more evidence of aliens and spaceships then there is of parallel universes.  I still don't really understand the Many World Interpretation argument.  I think it's trolling, like the next level of flat earth nonsense.  But seriously, there is more evidence of UFO crafts being caught on radar, infrared, visual, pilot eyes on recognition, etc.  No evidence to support the premise that it's the Russians. 

4 hours ago, swansont said:

Who has two PhDs, not four

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_S._Taylor

B.S. in Electrical Engineering from Auburn University in 1991.

MS in Physics in 1994 from University of Alabama, Huntsville.

Ph.D. in Engineering and Optical Science 1999 from University of Alabama, Huntsville.

MSE in Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering in 2001

MS in Astronomy in 2004 at the University of Western Sydney

Second Ph.D. from University of Alabama, Huntsville in Aerospace Systems Engineering in 2012.

7 hours ago, exchemist said:

The only Travis Trenton I can find is some kind of marketing manager with T-Mobile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trentontravis?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F 

 

Is that who you mean?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_S._Taylor

5 hours ago, TheVat said:

Travis Taylor, who has a series on the History Channel concerning the Skinwalker Ranch, is apparently who he means by "Travis Trenton," so I think that helps evaluate the overall precision and attention to detail we're getting from the fittingly named Glancer.

https://www.simonandschuster.com/authors/Travis-S-Taylor/575640599

Prolific science fiction writer.

The title of the thread is:  Why can't the philosophy of science be: Do what the aliens do.

I think the answer is that, you don't know how.  So let's do examples.

Example 1:  Strange phenomena is occurring at location X.  Back story dates back to native Americans.

Misguided Physics Community:  ignore it.  Call it woo.  Call everyone involved delusional.  Buy Sean Carroll's book:  how to make money swindling physicists.

Aliens: Investigate strange phenomena.  Perform experiments.  Gather data.  Tell everyone in the community who will listen about what you saw!

 

Example 2:  Aliens try to make peaceful contact with humans by making their presense known through culture and a little bit of UFO movement.

Misguided Physics Community: Ignore it.  Look at anyone who talks about it with great suspicion.  Blame the Christians.

Aliens: Pick up the phone.  Try to act normal.

Example 3:  Communicate in non threatening ways like, promote a meditation movement.  Promote a religion that believes in aliens.  Preach peace and tolerance.

Misguided Physics Community:  Assumes the worst:  tentacles with giant mouths they scream "we're gonna eat you!!!".

Aliens:  Assumes their intentions based on how friendly, persistent, low stress meditated,... this must mean that we should call upon them for a meeting.

 

Example 4:  Start to think about what the aliens want.

Misguided Physics Community:  Assume that the woo is out to get us!!!  Run around screaming "it doesn't exist!!!".  Try to jump into glowing green light and act like you're Rick and Morty.  Do anything completely un-called for; like you're panicking.

Aliens:  They must be here to give us their technology and love humanity.  Treat all life with love,care,concern, and someday it will treat you with love, care and concern.

 

Example 5:  Actual message from the aliens:  The Age of Aquarius is upon you.  Like a mighty dog from another planet, the Aquarius age bites you on the butt, like a friendly happy alien dog that wants to receieve what we put out.  If you want love, you gotta put out love.  Even to the other planets.  Because what fun is life if you can't fly to Earth, abduct a few for "scientific" sex experiments.  ... is this what aliens really think?

Misguided Physics Community:  AHHH!  Kill the woo!  Kill the woo!

Aliens:  Not sure you wanna make friends with aliens who abduct your women... and men... for "scientific" research.

Ever see a grey alien with makeup?  As you'd imagine, it's pretty weird!

Aliens say:  ALL HAIL THE HUMAN PHYSICS COMMUNITY!!!  YOU MAKE OUR CAMMOUFLAGE SECURITY PROGRAM VERY PROFITABLE.  WE CALL IT THE:  DON'T GET THE HUMAN'S ATTENTION, Security system.  It's designed to keep out the stupid.  It works so well, we should give the Human Physicis community a bonus check.  We aliens cannot understand how you physics community humans can be so...  um....  like you should roll everything that's been published back to General Relativity, particle physics...  the aliens are now telling me that superstrings and loop quantum gravity <thumbs down> .  But anything that looks like warp drives, pay attention to it.

Anything that you pay attention should be worth paying attention to.  That does not mean you should that American Values are up for targeting.  We like the United States.  It has given many people their rights.  Soldiers have died to make you safe.  Think of second amendment freedoms as a sign that good things are worth defending.

Aliens want the human physics community to know that if you are forced to be "atheists", that you should stand together as a force to be reckoned with. 

Whether you are on the side of religion or you are off the map, is your choice.  I'm just saying that the aliens think that humans who are atheists should should keep their opnion to themselves.

If we wanted your opinion, we wouldn't bother giving you one.

Did you know that the aliens know the answer to your problems.  We just can't tell you.  *wink* you're supposed to figure it out on your own. *wink*  Like SMILE!  HI!  Do you get it?  Wink!  But you wouldn't believe us if we just told you that we want to see humans happy, and not so missile oriented. 

Seriously, and if you could just be happy, with each other, like a good neighbor, and no threaten us with your pointy megakill pointy things.

Just now, joigus said:

You really need to up your game.

There is definite proof that kangaroos exist.

There is not even a clue that intelligent civilisations from another planet are visiting us.

Are you familiar with the concept of a straw-man argument?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one.^[1] One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

 

Now don't get me wrong.  Advanced aliens don't land on the Whitehouse lawn.  Just like my kangaroo argument, aliens aren't everywhere and commonly observable.  When they do visit people (and possibly abduct), they use a lot of telepathic mind altering technology so that non believers have something to buttress their argument. 

The problem you have is that you are not interested in learning anything new.  If you were, I would show you all kinds of interesting stuff.  Personally, I think it's fascinating that UFO are spotted and correlated with significant GPS errors.  But close minded people don't want to talk about how the length contraction effects of a warp drive can interfere with GPS signals. 

So, I'm snowed under with work.  TTFN.

3 minutes ago, swansont said:

Really? Do you think we get to tell nature how it works? 

Do you know what the beauty of being wrong is?  Nature has to correct us.  If I am wrong about the physics constants being stored in Expanding Gravitons, then nature will correct me.  If nature has to correct me, then we learn something new.  Nobody else has ever asked this question nor dared to suggest it. 

6 minutes ago, swansont said:

How do you know what I’ve noticed? I’ve only commented on a few of your musings.

I just assume that most people I talk to are cynical in the most blind and unenlightened way possible. 

8 minutes ago, swansont said:

It makes sense to put physical constants in equations that require them. Which is what we do.

Are you not aware of this?

Just because an equation can be written down, doesn't mean it exists physically.  For example, here is an equation for two Lego people falling in love.  F = kLL'/r^2.  Now I am holding two Lego people close to each other.  Why don't they fall in love? It's because physics constants have to exist in the real world for an equation to mean something. 

 

12 minutes ago, swansont said:

That’s for your other thread. I thought this was about aliens.

The Skinwalker ranch is the most real phenomena we have encountered, and is being studied by Travis Trenton, a NASA astrophysicist with 4 PhDs.  The American government is paying close attention to his work. 

If there was a chance that a real phenomena was active, wouldn't you be the least bit curious?  That's what I don't understand.  Unless you're afraid. What a silly thought!  You're not afraid of anything!

1 minute ago, joigus said:

Playing straw man, are we?

It's more fun to talk about kangaroos than it is to show you evidence of UFOs and tell you the stories.  I can't change your opinion.  Have you ever been punched by a kangaroo?