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Charon, you don't understand this statement? "The CDC said on their website that "not all individuals need to be tested" which is very confusing given that asymptomatic individuals are allegedly spreading the virus and b) there can be no accurate IFR or CFR statement or estimate without that data." To be clear, there can be NO ACCURATE ESTIMATE OF CASES without population-wide, consistent testing for a virus which presents asymptomatically at least 45% of the time. Basing IFR on SYMPTOMATIC cases and hospitalizations presents a gross distortion of the statistic. I would think this is academic....

" no way you can test that in laboratory directly" - I'm sorry but why is that exactly? There have been many studies which measured symptomatic spread of respiratory viruses, some of which have been cited to support asymptomatic spread, although that does not appear to be a valid comparison. "The most accurate number are of course people tested positive, which forms the baseline." - how can this be in any way accurate if no general testing protocol has been established? The CDC said on their website that "not all individuals need to be tested" which is very confusing given that asymptomatic individuals are allegedly spreading the virus and b) there can be no accurate IFR or CFR statement or estimate without that data. specific timeframe: 2020 Charon, you describe yourself as a "biology expert." Can you clarify what this means? I don't mean to question your credentials, its just that I thought biology was too vast a field to be amenable to general expertise... also did the last administration really craft the CDC policies with respect to C-19? Because this is where the failure appears to lie....

How do you handle these things in the UK? The more detail you could provide, the better. Specifically peer-reviewed research the UK government cites to support it's policies. Thank you for replying BTW.

As many as 45% (quite possibly more) of cases are entirely asymptomatic. Doesn't that qualify as immunity? It appears to me that we lack accurate measurements/ support for the following: - the mortality rate including the actual death count - an accurate measure of the case rate / number of infections - valid science in support of the general US pandemic response If anyone could provide this information, I would be grateful.

I'm having trouble finding CDC citations which support these claims with respect to COVID: - valid information regarding the body count (is this ONLY measured by death certificates?) - laboratory studies confirming asymptomatic individuals spreading the virus (I'm seeing data analysis and case studies only, apparently) - accurate case estimates (there appears to be no attempt on the part of the government to gather this data with respect to measuring asymptomatic cases) If someone has data to contribute, it would be much appreciated, and thanks in advance