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    hijack from Pascal's wager and atheism (split from What made you stop believing in God?)

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    I came to science forums to discuss ideas with people, not pointless tit for tat arguing, ok?  

    so, lets just do away with it for now  , otherwise i just dont have any interest in continuing the conversation.

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    The bible isn't really fiction, it's like any text book, it's designed to create understanding, not that everyone does, and that's why we need teachers that understand the text; good teachers do impart that understanding and bad teachers only impart their biases...

    ok, let me put my response another way.

    for someone who has mentioned earlier that you are an atheist, you sure don't sound like an atheist.  would you be interested in adressing that?

    you are an atheist who believes in the bible? or the bible has been misunderstood ? or what?

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    hijack from Pascal's wager and atheism (split from What made you stop believing in God?)

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    Posted · Edited by boo

    34 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

    No, it was a joke, hence the :P.

    The bible isn't really fiction, it's like any text book, it's designed to create understanding, not that everyone does, and that's why we need teachers that understand the text; good teachers do impart that understanding and bad teachers only impart their biases...

     

     

     

    oh right, then my apologies

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    The bible isn't really fiction, it's like any text book, it's designed to create understanding, not that everyone does, and that's why we need teachers that understand the text; good teachers do impart that understanding and bad teachers only impart their biases...

    That is quite interesting. I should point out i'm no biblical scholar myself

    however I know that there is good and bad in the bible,There are passages in it that are totally fraudulent, it is a hodge podge text from many different authors who's identity is hidden from us, sources non existent. Its fun to find the occasional piece of wisdom in there, for sure. But overall, the only way to decide the good from the bad is to use ones own bias, whatever that may be. Very problematic and not a reliable source of wisdom overall, in my view.

     

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    hijack from Pascal's wager and atheism (split from What made you stop believing in God?)

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    Posted · Edited by boo

    2 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

    That's the reason you don't understand, it's like the war on terrorism, you can't defeat a belief. If education is reducing their numbers, it's not through combat it's through persuasion.

     

    I  changed my wording., it wasnt the wording i wanted to use.   

    I don't think you even need persuasion actually,  the truth is very persuasive if you have access to it.  

     

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    hijack from Pascal's wager and atheism (split from What made you stop believing in God?)

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    Posted · Edited by boo

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    Well then we're all agreed, people are allowed to have their religions... ;)

    of course.  

    and denying that right would only fortify it and make it far worse.

    the best antidote for Religion is education and information and I think the ship has already sailed on that, at least in the west, it is happening naturally and very rapidly in some places but it will just take a little time.

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    hijack from Pascal's wager and atheism (split from What made you stop believing in God?)

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    Posted · Edited by boo

    1 hour ago, dimreepr said:

    Sorry I can only get it down to two "you're wrong" no three, I can only get it down to three... No-one expects an answer... :lol:

    Now that's me trying to be clever, because... "No-one expects the Spanish inquisition"...

    I may have failed, but it made me giggle..

    Have the magic man, don't have the magic man...

    I don't give a shit, why do you?

    That reminds me...

    You do know that an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence, don't you?

    what is up with you?

    you are acting very immature now 

    I'm entitled to my view, and you to yours. we can rationalize it maturely if you want.  I don't object to other people being religious. you have either misinterpreted me, or you are taking offence to my views and  are overreacting.  

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    hijack from Pascal's wager and atheism (split from What made you stop believing in God?)

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    25 minutes ago, Prometheus said:

    The 9/11 terrorists were motivated by Wahhabism, sponsored by a Saudi Royal family simply wanting to maintain rule. Had the population not been amenable to religious manipulation the ruling class would have leveraged some other aspect of the human condition to their end. Simply blaming religion is not useful.   

     

    you are right, it is probably an over simplification. however, the point i was making, is if you create a condition were people are willing to believe literally anything, without evidence, for whatever reason, this creates a vulnerability which can be exploited. It is no wonder that so many governments promote religion, or terrorist groups for that matter. It seems like the perfect catalyst.

    we could speculate that crimes committed in the name of Religion may have happened anyways under other circumstances, but that is just speculation,  we don't know for sure, we do know what did happen though and Religion helped.

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    hijack from Pascal's wager and atheism (split from What made you stop believing in God?)

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    Posted · Edited by boo

    11 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

    You, but ultimately you only find that out after the fact...

    this is just a matter of opinion. your opinion.  I'd be interested to know why you have come to believe this.

    Evidence of the negative is everywhere. Im sure the 9/11 terrorists derived plenty of solace in knowing they would go to heaven once the plane exploded,. The evangelist sect who stand on the road side with anti gay signs, probably get plenty of solace in knowing they are doing Gods work.  Merely believing in a god or an afterlife may not be the biggest problem, but there are invariably other things bundled into the belief system which can have more negative effects

    I'd recommend you read Hitchins' book  'God is not Great'. He discusses the case fairly thoroughly. 

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    hijack from Pascal's wager and atheism (split from What made you stop believing in God?)

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    3 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

    Because, sometimes your Spanish saying is true.

    is that a yes? you prefer to be lied to. 

    6 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

    Because you don't seem to get it, and on my map that leads to 'frustration' (an abandoned town in the middle of the bad lands)...

    let it go. Just discuss the topic. lets not make it about you vs me. that's where you are going wrong.

     

     

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    hijack from Pascal's wager and atheism (split from What made you stop believing in God?)

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    2 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

    So what? And how is that different from an Inuit instilling his culture/beliefs onto his child?

    it might be the same,  but my point is that it doesn't prove that the child needs it.  The child would most likely get along fine without it. If there are untruths in the inuit belief system, and If the truth is out there, then i think the child deserves to have access to the it.

     

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    23 hours ago, iNow said:

    This is an important point that deserves more focus. In many ways, belief just happens and we can’t simply will ourselves to believe something. We can pretend to believe, or we can delude ourselves about believing, but when it comes to ACTUALLY believing that’s sort of something that just happens. We either do or we don’t. 

    Need an example? Try believing that Zeus cares whether you shine your shoes, or that the ocean is made of Pepsi. You can’t. It’s dishonest to suggest otherwise. 

    that is what i think. Why would you have to choose to believe something if you genuinely believed it?  it seems like an admission of disbelief in itself.

    16 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

    Religion is needed by some because people don't always get it and they need a guild.

    people are instilled with religion from a young age, they often hang onto it as a form of tradition and never really question it, but I don't see the proof that they really need it. Had they grown up in a society that didn't have religious indoctrination, they may not 'need' it at all and in fact might be a lot better off without it.

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    Pascal's wager and atheism (split from What made you stop believing in God?)

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    46 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

    It wasn't meant to be clever, just mildly amusing. 

    eh, no, you were put on the spot and you ran out of things to say. thats what happened  LOL

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    Since you have offered no arguments, for a few posts, only deflection tactics, I felt it legitimate to poke a little fun at them. :-p

    You are of course welcome to post legitimate arguments to my points.

    sounds like a bad case of psychological projection 

    and you know, for an "atheist" you seem awfully offended by atheism. funny that....  

     

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