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  1. Measurements measure movement of things in the real world, this is their only purpose. Rate of change refers exclusively to the rate of movement in a real thing, if you can measure it, it’s real, period. Change requires movement; there are no real world changes without it. If there was no movement there would be no change. Real things exist somewhere, illusionary things don’t, where does a relative thing like now exist?
  2. I am fixed in (a) moment now, not (the) moment now, there is no universal now, everyone’s “Now” moves in their own frame independently, so how are you combining the of movement of a single independent frame with the non-independence of having every frame having to move at the same rate?
  3. Real things exist somewhere, illusionary things don’t, where does a relative thing like now exist? Nobody is saying measurements are real.
  4. Is time real? Time is often referred to as a fourth dimension along with the three spatial dimensions, the dimensions this refers to are obviously just measurable quantities of independent variables but I assume you would say the space they measure and the space you experience does actually exist, so what about the time dimension, are the moments it measures and the moment you experience just as real as the space? Length, temperature and weight are all examples of measurements but we don’t experience these quantities either; we experience space, heat and force just like we experience
  5. beecee Primate Senior Members 405 2687 posts Location: Maroubra Sydney Report post Posted January 31 Time exists, It is the fourth dimension along with space and its three dimensions. You're so confused its scary. Goodbye and good luck.
  6. I had some rare days off and got about a dozen responses done, anyone who is interested can PM me away from the thought police if they want, again i am so sorry to all who actually wanted a considered reply this is the best I can do.
  7. Goodbye everyone, Science forum has closed my topic and sighted soap-boxing as the reason, honestly i never read ahead of the post I was replying to. What I was doing was giving a full and considered answer to every question in the order they were asked and this takes time, obviously taking the time to answer properly is the problem here. I would like to continue answering every single question that was asked but I am at a loss how this could be done with this group, I am so sorry but it is out of my hands. If you believe time is only a construct then the moment now, that you ex
  8. Mordred · Resident Expert · · Resident Experts · · 1102 · 6325 posts · Posted Thursday at 09:18 AM On 1/31/2019 at 9:14 AM, studiot said: Then surely time fits the description a dimension, since it then a label for a coordinate axis. * correct an under mathematics a dimension is any independent variable. All coordinate axis are independent in that you can change any coordinate value without affecting other coordinate values. Sure time as a mathematical construct ,T
  9. Mordred · Resident Expert · · Resident Experts · · 1102 · 6325 posts · Posted Thursday at 09:12 AM (edited) On 1/31/2019 at 9:03 AM, studiot said: Similarly with time you can measure time difference or elapsed time or lifetime in seconds, but never time itself. * That's really the kicker we can only measure the rate of change and compare different rates of change. One can literally throw away the word time which is just a convenient label and simply describe the rate of
  10. studiot · SuperNerd · · Senior Members · 1570 · 10117 posts · Location: Somerset, England · Posted Thursday at 09:03 AM (edited) On 1/31/2019 at 8:33 AM, argo said: THE TIME-FLOW FALLACY Time is described in physics as “what clocks read”; Could you please give a two line summary of what we are supposed to be discussing? The issues of fake definitions, the circular nature of the time-flow argument, the focus of the thought experiment or the expansion and energy
  11. swansont · Evil Liar (or so I'm told) · · Moderators · · 6709 · 41232 posts · Location: Washington DC region · Posted Thursday at 09:01 AM If you really think this is unique to time, how about defining length, without any circular references. Perhaps it’s what a ruler measures? Length is a measurement, it is only ever a mathematical construct, the definition and description of time I posted say there is circular references in the mathematical construct but you miss the
  12. · Resident Expert · · Resident Experts · · 1102 · 6323 posts · Posted Thursday at 08:48 AM (edited) Time is simply a measure of rate of change of events or duration it isn't a substance or material that flows. Quick simple and easy... Under relativity how one measures the rate of change will depend on the observer measuring the event. All too often people like to think of time as more than a property of a system or state. It is simply a measure of rate or duration. The Universe itself doesn't c
  13. If the issues of fake definitions, the circular nature of the time-flow argument, the focus of the thought experiment or the expansion and energy requirements of the universe are not going to be observed, then nothing else I say is ever going to convince you otherwise.
  14. Still nothing to do with the issues at hand, bored now.
  15. Trick, imply pop media has something to do with this published scientific definition. Misdirection, you are not responding to the issues. This is exhausting.
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