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13 hours ago, MigL said:How does this pertain to the OP, the legality of alchol.
Seems to be more of a political commentary; and off topic.OP = Why is alcohol legal ?
?? = The people responsible for deciding/making the laws relating to legality of alcohol can have Alcohol delivered to their Offices for consumption while deciding/making those same laws.
!! = So, if you had Football, Basketball and Baseball Players responsible for deciding/making the laws relating to legality of Pro Sports,do you suppose those Players would make Pro Sports illegal?
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clarificationOn 5/14/2022 at 10:16 AM, Phi for All said:Oh please. The foodservice giant they use for catering at the US House is uber-greedy, they used to be a client of mine. Sodexho took over the contract in 2015 and like all big corporations, they need steady growth, and offering booze to their clients is an easy way to assure that.
This isn't because of liberal politics or even alcohol, this is because we've allowed too much privately owned enterprise in our public intstitutions.
Too true, Phi for All. And like I said, for whatever reason, it appears that Alcohol just may be a "necessity" in that walk of life at least.
" Nancy Pelosi has a history of ridiculous statements and positions. Now, with the US economy and foreign policy falling apart, she’s making it easier for lawmakers to access liquor at the US Capitol. Now Nancy and her comrades don’t have far to go to get their drinks.
The Daily Wire reports:
Members of the House of Representatives may now order beer, wine, and spirits and have them delivered directly to their offices, a new development that could help lubricate those late-night budget negotiations. The perk is courtesy of Capitol Hill’s new caterer, hospitality services giant Sodexo, and was first reported by Fox News Channel’s Chad Pergram.
2) Wine and beer was often available at catered receptions on Capitol Hill. But now booze can go directly to a Member’s office.
And, they can order in bulk.
Fox is told that this can be paid with private money or a campaign funds. "
links to peruse :
https://thehouse.misofi.net/menugrid.asp?mode=p&a=13&cg=22&intOrderID=&intCustomerID
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add imageOn 5/11/2022 at 3:46 PM, beecee said:I prefer the drug that society already dictates as a social necessity in all walks of life in any reasonable democratic westernised society.
Not quite sure that society already "dictates Alcohol as a social necessity in all walks of life", although if "Pelosi is {really?} opening a liquor store in the House where Members can buy alcohol with their taxpayer-funded MRAs." See : https://twitter.com/AustinScottGA08/status/1525215777032482816?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
Then, it appears that it just may be a "necessity" in that walk of life at least.
So?
Note the Hours that the Alcohol is available for purchase.
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Can anyone cite any case where torture actually produced actionable intelligence that led to a positive result, ie child rescued from pedophile or bomb found before detontion?
not from tv or movies!
IF...any conspirators were to actually set a bomb to kill thousands of people, do you suppose that those same conspirators might have a FAIL SAFE of any kind?
Say, possibly that in the event that one of them might be caught, they have a ready response in the event of TORTURE?
like it may be that under duress, they give up a location that when acted upon, lets the other conspirators know that one of them has been captured,
or it may be an address that when accessed automatically detonates that bomb?
as far as the pedophile/s, it may be an address that is near the real address so as to let the other pedophile know that the authorities are closing in?
what do you suppose will happen to any child after that?
peterkin seems to be the only poster that has really contemplated the question and answered honestly
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On 1/31/2022 at 6:33 PM, beecee said:You read the entire paper? 😉
The paper was only 13 pages, real science examines all evidence in its entirety, right?
and Objectively, right?
On 1/31/2022 at 6:33 PM, beecee said:I read the essential bits that relay the guts of it and see it as our duty to seed sterile worlds.
From the introduction of : https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.02286.pdf
"Long-term collaborative efforts, like the ITER fusion reactor [4], are nevertheless more often than not accompanied by continuous controversies concerning the ultimate effort to utility ratio, with a central reason being the rational to discount future rewards [5]. It is hence unlikely that explorative space missions taking centuries or even millennia to complete would ever survive the initial cost-to-benefit evaluation. The situation may however change for endeavors not designed for their usefulness in terms of science data or other return values. This will be the case, as we argue here, for Genesis missions aiming to establish an ecosphere of unicellular lifeforms on potentially habitable but hitherto barren exoplanets."
Let me get this straight, the author, Claudius Gros, actually states that he sees the "Genesis missions" as "endeavors not designed for their usefulness in terms of science data or other return values"
Your take is : "I read the essential bits that relay the guts of it and see it as our duty to seed sterile worlds.", right?
Peterkin, dimreepr, Ken Fabian and others, including the author, Claudius Gros, have examined the evidence critically, objectively, in essence Scientifically and have concluded that the "Genesis missions" are "not designed for their usefulness in terms of science data or other return values",
you claim" I also believe I have no baggage, other then science and the scientific method" , yet you Post this : "I read the essential bits that relay the guts of it and see it as our duty to seed sterile worlds.", right?
Science, right?
"no baggage, other then science and the scientific method"
dimreepr seems to be onto something : "Then you're fooling yourself, we all labour under the baggage of 'our/individual/unique' life, sometimes it light enough that we don't notice we're lugging it around; strict adherence to a method of lugging it around, doesn't mean you're not lugging baggage..."
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1 hour ago, beecee said:We should also seriously note the less than honest claim made that NASA was suggesting octopuses were "space faring" .
Science?
I tried to spoon feed you an honest to goodness example of an actual real science experiment being carried out by real scientists for real scientific reasons.
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/is-space-a-bad-influence-on-good-bacteria
An experiment to see if zero gravity and radiation has the same effect on beneficial bacteria as it does on harmful bacteria
NASA made these cephalopods spacefaring, thus allowing real scientists to conduct this real experiment. https://www.sciof.fi/science-fiction-squid-in-space/
3 hours ago, beecee said:Ignoring the ridiculous suggestions of space faring octopuses by lesser folk,
3 hours ago, beecee said:Ignoring the ridiculous suggestions of space faring octopuses by lesser folk,
science?
then you greater folk know all about this "Scientific Study Concludes Octopuses Could Have Come from Space" https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/scientific-study-concludes-octopuses-could-have-come-from-space/vi-AASf3VJ
and of course you greater folk have already read this "Cause of Cambrian Explosion - Terrestrial or Cosmic?" https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0079610718300798
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1 hour ago, beecee said:You read the entire paper? 😉 I read the essential bits that relay the guts of it and see it as our duty to seed sterile worlds.
2 hours ago, et pet said:you do realize that there are "spacefaring cephalopods", right?
you know that there are Scientists that Theorize that "spacefaring cephalopods" may have arrived on Earth Hundreds of Millions or even Billions of years ago, right?
Nonsense, and as already mentioned previously and reproduced below, I have read those hypotheticals, as oppossed to scientific theories, which most reputable scientists reject. It is nonsense to suggest that octopuses who have had more then 300 million years of evolution will ever be space faring entities, and we have no evidence to suggest they are Alien, and which most reputable scientists reject.
5 hours ago, beecee said:If you say so. Essentially there is no concrete evidence to show that octopuses are Alien, and the vast majority of scientists reject that scenario. Yes I read that suggestion also, but prefer facts. Just as essentially, they are evolutionary constrained after 300 million years of evolution.
But et pet, I must now ignore you for reasons known by yourself and myself regarding past interactions elsewhere and your reputaion. Hope you understand.
Thank you.
"I read the essential bits that relay the guts of it and see it as our duty to seed sterile worlds." seriously?
It may be that you need to practice real Science, and carefully read the entire Paper. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.02286.pdf You know, like actually look at the evidence, objectively Just maybe?
and this is just pushing a STRAWMAN ? - "suggest(ing) that octopuses who have had more then 300 million years of evolution will ever be space faring entities". that is merely a poor attempt at erecting a STRAWMAN, that is not Science!
it may be that you should try and practice some real science and look into the reality of "space faring cephalopods" maybe even check with NASA
actually discuss science and possibly learn something or continue to be ignorant of real science, that is entirely up to you
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2 hours ago, beecee said:
It's certainly not about the highly improbable evolution of space faring octopuses! 😆
Enough of it to know what it is essentially about.
All the relevant salient points that would be obvious if you at least attempted to read the paper.
If you say so. Essentially there is no concrete evidence to show that octopuses are Alien, and the vast majority of scientists reject that scenario. Yes I read that suggestion also, but prefer facts. Just as essentially, they are evolutionary constrained after 300 million years of evolution.
What do you suppose it is "essentially about"?
I actually read the ENTIRE PAPER
seems the Authors consider the "Genesis missions" as "endeavors not designed for their usefulness in terms of science data or other return values." https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.02286.pdf
you do realize that there are "spacefaring cephalopods", right?
you know that there are Scientists that Theorize that "spacefaring cephalopods" may have arrived on Earth Hundreds of Millions or even Billions of years ago, right?
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10 hours ago, beecee said:You could also address this paper if you like.....
what is the paper about?
have you read the paper?
what do you want addressed about the paper?
you could address what I posted :
On 1/29/2022 at 7:53 PM, et pet said:after reading these Posts, anyone suppose it may be that Space Faring Cephlopods (Octopuses?) Panspermized the Earth?
it may be that hundreds of milions or even billions of years ago Octopuses were a "Space Faring Species" that somehow gave "the old reverse panspermia a go" and the Earth got seeded
it just may be
could be
maybe a theory
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after reading these Posts, anyone suppose it may be that Space Faring Cephlopods (Octopuses?) Panspermized the Earth?
it may be that hundreds of milions or even billions of years ago Octopuses were a "Space Faring Species" that somehow gave "the old reverse panspermia a go" and the Earth got seeded
it just may be
could be
maybe a theory
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clarification9 hours ago, TheVat said:Dark matter is not something you can make biological systems out of. If it were, it would just be... ordinary baryonic matter.
I agree that octopi are a lower probability configuration for developing space technology. Was just saying there are exotic configurations we won't anticipate out there. Chinese SF master Liu Cixin comes to mind, in his novella "Mountain." (In his imaginative Wandering Earth collection).
Sorry, I did not know that Scientists had studied Dark Matter to the point of knowing all of it's properties.
5 hours ago, Moontanman said:Why is everyone assuming that octopus could not adapt to living on land? Given opening up of evolutionary niches on land by, say a mass extinction of vertebrates, The octopus would seem to be a contender for being amphibious quite easily. Their reproductive strategy could change and they could become land animals, and having nine brains could result in a creature beyond our imagining just like pikaia, I bet no one here would have seen pikaia evolving into humans 450 million years ago. How many changes did pikaia have to go through to become us. Imagine that on an alien planet vertebrates never evolved, pikaia could have gone extinct. There is no guarantee that vertebrates would evolve on another planet.
Speculative evolution video
It may be that assuming (and maybe even Fiction) is part of Science to some.
Like and agree with your Posts, BTW!!!
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2 hours ago, TheVat said:
Yep. Anything with a brain and some selective pressure towards articulated appendages is a candidate to become a techno-species, seems like.
Yep, seems like.
2 hours ago, TheVat said:Jeez, we only have a single data point on what a technological creature can be like.
And if truth be told, that single data point is not really from a space fairing species.
A thought though
If true 95% of everything is Dark Matter and something we can't witness?
Like maybe only One in Twenty space fairing species will ever be regular Matter like us?
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20 minutes ago, Curious layman said:
I was reading a thread which explained why it would be difficult and pointless to dump nuclear waste into the sun
Was it a thread here on https://www.scienceforums.net/ ? Can you Link to it?
We may be able to assist you if we know the principle that is being applied.
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https://qz.com/1625496/house-rejects-trumps-nasa-and-space-force-plans/
" Donald Trump is not getting his space money
Last week, the White House submitted a late funding request for an additional $1.6 billion in spending on a proposed Artemis moon program to return astronauts to the lunar surface by 2024. Today, the House Appropriations committee left that request out of its spending plan for NASA and ignored many of the administration’s other space priorities.
Without that funding, any hope of the accelerated mission to the moon touted by Vice President Mike Pence is likely to disappear. " https://qz.com/1625496/house-rejects-trumps-nasa-and-space-force-plans/
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What might possibly be construed as the “fish lineage of man” begins around the 1 minute point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W5hOJaFjxU
Why is alcohol legal ?
in Ethics
In what Post did I state any "objections to the actions of the current American Government" ?
AGAIN :
OP = Why is alcohol legal ? (in U.S.)
?? = The people responsible for deciding/making the laws relating to legality of alcohol (in U.S.) can have Alcohol delivered to their Offices for consumption while deciding/making those same laws.