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  1. Hello, I posted previously but wasn't brilliantly prepared... I would like to thank those that fed back last time because it has actually really helped which hopefully you can see here - I would really like feedback and if anyone is able to help with the maths that would be amazing and I hope I've addressed the issues raised in the last post. I have created a dropbox folder of higher resolution graphics which I will paste at the end. It all started when I saw this video: Primes and Twin Primes an awesome journey Carlos was trying to find the millionth prime in an effort to win a prize and was using circles to do it… what he didn’t realise was that it was the millionth digit prime number. He found that if he used circles then he could find primes to the square of the largest circle in the sieve - similar to the Eratosthenes from third century BC. Here is an image of his work: You can see that where: ONLY a circle of diameter 1 & ONE OTHER number crosses the number line that number is a prime so a circle of diameter 3 is a prime… He found that with a sieve of 142 (largest circle in the sieve is 142) you could “find” primes up to the square of that number 1422 = 20,164 Here’s what that looks like: Here’s the sieve or the largest circle for just 142…. Here’s what that “data” looks like at larger numbers near the 20,000th What I saw was that the gaps appeared to correlate with the electron configuration of atoms: 1s2 2s2 2p6 3s2 3p6 4s2 3d10 4p6 5s2 4d10 Whose electron number sequence pattern is: 2, 2, 6, 2, 6, 2, 10, 6, 1, 10 and for a specific spin (1/2 the sequence above and the relevance I will explore later) 1 1 3 1 3 1 5 3 1 5 ... Essentially electrons exist in “shells” called s, p and d etc and each electron is paired (with a few exceptions - cover that later) so electrons have either: UP SPIN ↑ & DOWN SPIN ↓ Based on spin the electrons exist in groups of 1, 3 and 5: This unusual pattern of 1, 3 and 5 appeared to match the unusual arrangement of electrons for spin up or spin down which is either a coincidence or something more. If this IS connected I can logically assume that the arrangement would look like this where the spin down is on the left axis and spin up on the right - using Carlos circles for graphical simplicity: I found that the prime gaps correlated up to a point at number 20 - so the first 40 electrons fit within the prime number sequence - pretty interesting. But there is a problem with after 20 when the 4p6 and 3d10 are around the wrong way: Number gaps in the prime sequence: 0 1 1 3 1 3 1 3 5 1 5 Electrons configuration spin up: 1 1 3 1 3 1 5 3 1 5 There seems to be a correlation between these sequences other than: 1 1 3 1 3 1 3 5 1 5 (Primes Gaps) 1s1 2s1 2p3 3s1 3p3 4s1 3d5 4p3 5s1 4d5 (Electron Configuration from Hydrogen to Cadmium) So does that mean it ends there? no not quite… but we need to better understand how these electrons fill up the shells. The current rule uses the Aufbau principle / diagram which itself falls down at 23… (https://www.chemedx.org/article/clarifying-electron-configurations) When the 4s electron moves into the 3d… and so another rule is used the Rydberg Rule which relies on the spectroscopic data and experimental data: The Aufbau principle (theoretical model): 4s fills before 3d 1s<2s<2p<3s<3p<4s<3d<4p<5s<4d<5p<6s<4f<5d<….. The Rydberg rule (from experimental/spectroscopic data): 3d can fill before 4s / 4s electron moves to the 3d 1s<<2s<2p<<3s<3p<<3d<4s<4p<<4d<5s<5p<<4f<5d<6d… Hence at 23 or Cr and Cu: Cr (4s1 3d5) and Cu (4s1 3d10) where the 3d orbital is filled - or half-filled- prior to the 4s orbital: At 23 the 4s shell empties into the 3d but why? Here are all the electron configurations and the red &b blue are where the Aufbau principle falls down: Back to Carlos and the prime gaps - when I looked at his graphics I didn’t see tons of circles but more tons of sine waves… So I changed his circles into sine waves within a circle or sphere: Instead of the circle of 2 we now have a wave of wavelength 2 and amplitude 1 (radius of the circle) and a circumference of 3.14 Adding the circles of 2, 3 or 5 we now have a wave of wavelength 2, 3 or 5 and amplitude 1, 1.5, 2.5 (radius of the circles) And the same for some prime factors turned into waves: So what happens next? Well if we use the inverse square law that governs gravity, electrons, light etc as it moves from a source - in this case each time the wave passes the number line is considered a source... and that wave follows the inverse square law that So if 4 is the source then the area of the circle the energy is spread over is 12.57 at r = 1 As the wave at source 4 moves from 8 to point ? the area would need to increase to 50.27 (1/4 reduction in I) So it would move to 16 and have a radius of 8… (I've removed the smaller waves that could carry on to keep the diagrams clearer) So here are some other prime factor waves growing: 6 (put the electron configuration back in) 8 9 etc As the source increases in energy the wave increases… This is all for spin up… what about spin down? If you take your 4 wave and add in angular momentum and the wave is rotating at the origin: If you take the wave 4 and rotate it on the origin then at 180 degrees the wave travels back the way it came and moves from 8 to -8 as the circle rotation flips from clockwise to anticlockwise: So you now have a spin up, spin down for prime factors… Here’s all the electron waves view: You can see here that at the 4p and 3d there is “unusual” wave activity and that the 3d could very well fill first before the 4p even though the order is different. You can also see that a single electro could exist in the 3d shell with a “loop back” at 4s and you can see why perhaps a 4s empties into a 3d. Not all electron shells are on the same axis: and if these are “electrons” there are some other elements that are pretty important. Electrons are in pairs and these pairs are in groups and subgroups which are on a specific axis i.e. So they don't all weave along the same axis… BUT the a wave on the x axis would need to create waves that are also on the same axis… so they whole wave needs to be axis specific and these are the different axis. The s - x axis The 2p On the x, y and z axis The 3d on the x, y, z and in-between the x, y and z axis So the wave needs to link the right numbers on the right axis so it needs to be axis specific for the whole wave from source to the largest atom… If you now add in the axis for each wave i.e. a wave that starts at 6 on one axis would need to cross the number line and be on the correct axis for later electron shells to this formation: I have not done the f orbitals yet… BUT the 3d have an interesting arrangement with 2 of the 5 coming from previous axis and 3 new axis so you would expect to see 3 new waves at 3d - xy, yz and xz which you do… What about the actual primes? So in an electro magnetic filed the magnetic field lines are perpendicular to the electric field: This is hard to show on Keynote! So JUST the primes 2, 3 and 5 You can almost see the electric waves weave through the prime numbers which are acting as “insulators” like the plastic on a copper wire. The primes are perpendicular to electric field waves 4 and 6… and the waves “weave” in an out with the primes between 2 field lines. Apologies for the length... here is the link to the dropbox images: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ur2da810bv2zjpv/AAAJdhMpa15wIEQnr7s74GuNa?dl=0 Any help with the maths or feedback would be great... Thanks Dan King
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    omg.... is this what the evil one has cum too? seriously
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    How do you know Mr Iodine? Why should I who is Phi? It's like repent... sinner...
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    "No, we don't delete threads, unless they are in violation of the rules (i.e. spam or profanity)" OMG apparently that is not true: very Chinese of you... lol ... who needs Free Speech lol! No, we don't delete threads, unless they are in violation of the rules (i.e. spam or profanity) This was deleted FYI... # which when you click on Go To this post speaks for itself `I guess... Look I'm not interested in shining a light on your hypocrisy but you keep emailing me: and yet I have said don't... so this is your bad UX not me... Pretty MUCH like my experience here... bullying... poor UX - user experience ... poor... pleasssseeee stop emailing me i am soooooo over this lol This is a great gem considering i am a reasonable human being very North Korea lol Should you delete your forum maybe?
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    God Save the Tash Can... Pllllleeeeeaaaassssseeee delete me...
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    Okay well look I have 3 down votes... I'm sure galileo had more than 3 down grades... i expect it as a complex thinker it's a concrete thinker reaction to a complex thinker... There have been only 4 main replies so I don't have to be Agatha Christie to work out the downgrades... As a new user can I tell you how you come across? You come across as bullies... you use passive aggressive statements and then accuse people of being emotional... it's pretty tragic and I guess when you can't bully them you downgrade them in frustration.. pretty tragic for a science forum that is supposed to be free from emotion. You accuse people of behaviour you exhibit. I wish you, guys well but my guess is that you are the only people that post because your users are scared of you... your default setting is to attack, accuse and humiliate... that's neither human nor scientific. sorry lol not swansot lol: time bandits evil genius Evil defo... and just an FYI I've taken a record of the entire conversation string as I expect to be deleted... and when this has been proven as being right I don't want you guys popping up with this was my idea lol... Whose evil now... lol
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    yes please... list... I'm sorry but I thought science wasn't personal? Don't get "emotional" What does this mean??? Within 5 minutes of my post you reproduced as fact that which another member with an impeccable academic pedigree has told you was 'incorrect'. who is this member? OMG seriously you are s SCIENCE TROLL... What this guy with the hat? Your serious right? The trajectories? Can I assume if I guess you, Mr Swansont with the "impeccable academic record" and Mr Iodine and given me a bad sign on my profile lol... You like your own opinions and nobodies else... very sad... there are tons of science forums ... i will go elsewhere... ;-) #holdnogrudge this is your space... can't you just delete my account? the silence of the lambs an all that... Flat earth?
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    Okay so the tone on here was initially against me... Tonally it is very combative. and when you are wrong you simply accuse me of being very rude... I have been accused of being stupid etc which is fine but it is a little much - Even recently I was attacked as not "knowing x,yz" it's VERY passive aggressive. I am a mirror of how I am being treated so if you see me as rude... that is how you come across. This was you... stop thanking me... "please pay attention" Again another "personal quote" etc etc... there are plenty of examples and it got worse - it feels like you have run out of answers so now you will delete me or "down play" the post regardless... BUT i would thank you all because it has progressed the idea... and it is a shame if I need to go to a new forum to discuss this new concept... because needless to say if it is right your forum would be famous You are distracting from the science... this is on the homepage? I've answered your questions... clearly.. you normally bombard people but that has stopped so you are either bored or can't come up with an "explanation" from Google... Yesterday was like a free for all.. and now I am accused of being rude lol Pot Kettle Colour Check Table 5 ;-) and it's not that downplayed? Back to the science lol... it has been really useful so thank you all - sorry it got heated at times BUT collaboration is never easy!
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    You are continuing to avoid the question. When you have paired electrons you can guarantee one of each spin so you can choose a set of all one spin. But if you have a single extra electron it could have either spin and you cannot know which. Last time you avoided the question by telling me that it does not matter because the spins are the same. No I answered this a while ago but lets explore... Okay so here is an electron... what do you think their spin is? One has an anti clockwise spin and is travelling UP The other has a clockwise spin and is travelling DOWN Agree? So you are saying you really don't know what a prime is then if you don't know if 1 or are prime numbers. Here is a page full of explanations as to why 1 is defined to be not a prime number, but 2 is. https://www.google.co.uk/search?source=hp&q=why+is+1+not+a+prime+number&oq=why+is+1+not+a+prime+number&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l4.1146.7187.0.7734. But what matters is that the first number in the prime gap sequence is 0 But the first number in the electron sequence must be a 1 OMG you need to lay off Google lol... I'm not being rude but this is nonsense... I know you got the electron configuration wrong originally but please lets not over do it with Wiki links... I'm cool with Critical Thinking but not with "critics" and I showed you yesterday that spin is perspective based so it's nonsense i.e clockwise and anti-clockwise are they same thing... just look at a clock take it off the wall and look it from behind it goes the other way... so your right UNTIL you look at it you don't know which way it is going... and you can try this at home on a sheet of paper... also Google water going down a plug hole in Australia... opposite to here PERSPECTIVE ... it's the same way they are just seeing it from the other side...
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    Okay good we're getting somewhere you are absolutely right the electron aspect is a bit of a red herring because they are probability shells rather than actual paths ways themselves ... The key is they sit within those "shapes" so what is keeping them in those shapes? If you add electrons together in the same space you get sparks or lightning... The prime numbers are the key... they make those "cone" shapes... It's very hard to show in 2D but this is a prime number "cone" okay this is a bit of a nonsense ... the 0 atom? 1 2 3 could very well be the dimensional aspects i.e. the axis and whether 1 or 2 are primes is a nonsense... and if you read the last post those are single spin atom allocations - d block so the existence of a single spin in d would translate to other single spins but this is all a bit like 100 and 1,000's on a cake... you need the cake first. More complex version of the prime cone... (red lines indicate primes) and more complex sitll you can see with a little imagination the cones within each other... on a particular axis
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    It's omitted because there is no gap between 1 2 3 gaps = 0 0 so you could write 0 0 1 1 3 1 3 1 3 5 1 5 I've also had a chance to drill into this p and d problem and have an explanation... Summary of the main issues yesterday was the p and d are in the wrong order below... should read 5 3 not 3 5 (I've not looked at f because that is a lot more full on) 1 1 3 1 3 1 3 5 1 5 (Primes Gaps) 1s1 2s1 2p3 3s1 3p3 4s1 4p3 3d5 5s1 4d5 (Electron Configuration from Hydrogen to Cadmium) Okay so the 4p and 3d are in the wrong order... why? What is the difference between p and d? P orbital d oribital There is a significant difference... p orbitals contain 2 electrons on each axis x, y and z d orbitals contain ONLY 1 electron on each axis AND occupy the same space as the px, py, pz, s = 4 electrons and in between the x, y and z 6 electrons So essentially the electrons in the d occupy 10 axis NOT 5... and are in the "same space" as the p and s BUT they go through the middle of the nucleus as there is only 1 electron per axis... So the d orbitals occupy: 4s1, 4p3, 3d5, 5s1 BUT across the axis so they also occupy the - 4s1, - 4p3, -3d5, -5s1 with the SAME electron... = 10 electrons I haven't looked at the f orbitals I thought I would let this sink in first - so please don't bombard me with f lol Dan
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    Yes sorry I couldn't resist... no monatomic doesn't mean with 1 electron it's either with 1 extra or without one: ono atomic hydrogen is neither hydride (H-) nor proton (H+). Rather, what you seek is the H radical. Typically, hydrogen free radicals are so reactive that they don't exist in solution but their chemistry can be accessed by reacting longer lived radicals with hydrogen atom donors in a reaction called a hydrogen atom abstraction. Alternatively, it is possible to generate hydrogen atoms in solution via photolysis or high temperature in molecules with particularly weak R-H bonds. In these cases the H radicals will react very rapidly and are typically very short lived. Cheers There is no odd or even or clockwise or anti-clockwise its perspective. Sorry that should say mono atomic ...
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    Yes so in terms of spin... or clockwise and anticlockwise. If you look at your clock it is going clockwise I assume so you can tell the time? If you go behind your clock and look at it from behind it is going anti clockwise... You can see this on a piece of paper with a thick pen This circle is clearly spinning clockwise in the + x axis But if I am on the other side of the page it's going the opposite way: If you watch cyclist bike wheels from one side of the road then the other you can see the same thing... So spin is relative. In terms of atoms and elements... Li is an element with a single electron BUT it doesn't exist by itself it reacts very quickly... Oxygen "free radicals" are the same and age us by destroying the DNA very reactive... it's the reason chemistry happens. If you want to read up on orbitals you can see the only difference between the p and d is their axis of orientation https://socratic.org/chemistry/the-electron-configuration-of-atoms/arrangement-of-electrons-in-orbitals-spd-and-f They're the same shape they just sit in different axis so all this argument around 4p and 3d is an axial argument i.e is the shell sitting in the x or xy axis? i.e. the p or d... and f is LOTS more involved...
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    Hi yes this forum needs a little something to make it easier... the post trail has gotten very long. the spin thing is really interesting... firstly the elements don't exist as elements - atoms unless they are noble gases i.e. single electrons don't exist... but in terms of the spin, it's either up or down or clockwise or anticlockwise so they look like this: oh and thanks for coming back and looking at it yourself! in terms of the spin and dividing in half... that's where I go a little off piste, even more, lol and argue that clockwise and anti-clockwise are one and the same thing...
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    To be honest I was going to answer this but the previous: 1. If the diagram is wrong, why bother showing it? 2. What looks right to you? 3. Yes, thank goodness there are / were people out there much smarter than either of us, who knew what they were doing enough to come up with the periodic table! has put me off... I would google the no no no no brain and look into concrete thinking version complex thinking... hyper_valent you are a claassic example of 20th Century thinker... lower order thinking using just: 1.Remember 2. Comprehend 3. Apply ... Unfortunately with the problems facing the 21st century we need more "complex thinkers" who otherwise mankind is finished. what i will do is go away and find answers to your questions... ;-) because that's what people do that are clever than you Mr Iodine