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1 hour ago, T. McGrath said:

What you call AI I call an Expert System.  A program that can only play the game Go, no matter how good, is not demonstrating any intelligence.  It is simply following the instructions that was provided by its human programmer.  It is the programmer who is demonstrating the intelligence here, not the program.

There is nothing we have developed today that comes even remotely close to artificial intelligence.  The "Sophia" bot is nothing more than an upgraded version of ELIZA, which was an early natural language processing program created between 1964 to 1966 at the MIT.  It was good at mimicking conversation, but it could never pass the Turing test.

 

Not quite. 

Mastering Chess and Shogi by Self-Play with a General Reinforcement Learning Algorithm - https://arxiv.org/abs/1712.01815

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One of the key advances here is that the new AI program, named AlphaZero, wasn’t specifically designed to play any of these games. In each case, it was given some basic rules (like how knights move in chess, and so on) but was programmed with no other strategies or tactics. It simply got better by playing itself over and over again at an accelerated pace — a method of training AI known as “reinforcement learning.”

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/6/16741106/deepmind-ai-chess-alphazero-shogi-go

Out of curiosity, how do you define intelligence? 

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EdEarl beat me to it.

First, you have to lay it down with doors facing upwards. Then open the door and pour in liquid nitrogen  

Interesting question. 

Yes, I think I can name. I have a sister who's 5 years younger than I am. So we are in "siblings 5 years apart" category.

"Unlikely" is probabilistic terminology. Indeed, the so-called Fermi Paradox is said to be based on probabilistic argument: Drake equation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

Lets have a look how the probability in question is calculated. From wiki:

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{\displaystyle N=R_{*}\cdot f_{\mathrm {p} }\cdot n_{\mathrm {e} }\cdot f_{\mathrm {l} }\cdot f_{\mathrm {i} }\cdot f_{\mathrm {c} }\cdot L}
where:

N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible (i.e. which are on our current past light cone);
and

R∗ = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space

 

We can see immediately, or we can read it in wiki, that number of parameters are speculative with ranges varying greatly.

Then the question to me is, how useful such estimation of probability is and if its possible to base any sound argument, the so-called Fermi Paradox in particular, on it.

Well, alright thanks for correction Moontanman. Still, where is the paradox, because I do not see it. 

No.

Indeed, there is no paradox:

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The "Fermi Paradox," an argument that extraterrestrial intelligence cannot exist because it has not yet been observed, is a logical fallacy. This "paradox" is a formally invalid inference. both because it requires modal operators lying outside the first-order propositional calculus and because it is unsupported by the observational record.

There Is No Fermi Paradox -  http://www.rfreitas.com/Astro/ThereIsNoFermiParadox1985.htm

or 

The Fermi Paradox is Neither Fermi’s Nor a Paradox - https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1605/1605.09187.pdf

"Where is everyone?" is a cool party question, but that is about it. 

To me it's fascinating that the nature of the universe does not correspond to what we know from our lives. Then again, standing on a coast, seeing ships coming in, recognizing the surface is not flat, is a similar feeling. 

Let me just note that its kind of amusing that this subject is, correctly, labeled as philosophy. 

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There was a time when the newspapers said that only twelve men understood the theory of relativity. I do not believe there ever was such a time. There might have been a time when only one man did, because he was the only guy who caught on, before he wrote his paper. But after people read the paper a lot of people understood the theory of relativity in some way or other, certainly more than twelve. On the other hand, I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.

 

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 The Character of Physical Law - Richard Feynman

From the article, I call it a rant:

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Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him, and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind. There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic,
social and sexual system but I do not know what it is.

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There are several rational arguments for foreign aid, one of them is, indeed self-serving as mentioned later, national security. A good number of people living in the described system will try to come over here, Europe, and we will, one way or the other, have to deal with it. So the rational course of action is to try to solve such problem locally. 

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There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this. It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, hand wringing, letter writing wrathful individuals, a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O’Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously.

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Nah, to me its cool story bro.

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How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision,
poverty, hunger, violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably
jolly little lives ahead of them. Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity!

But that is not good enough. 

 

Of course its good enough. Maybe not for you but that is not very relevant.

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 For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems
which would otherwise have collapsed. It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring Bill Gates’ programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease
is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating. If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts.

Oh good: then what? I know, let them all come here (to Ireland) or America. (not forgetting Australia!)

Yes, that’s an idea.

 

There is no question many foreign aid programs failed to achieve their goals and indeed contributed to the problem described. Perhaps they failed because they were executed with naivety and designed from ignorance. That, however, does not mean foreign aid is an evolutionary disaster nor it means foreign aid should be stopped.

You said it yourself, and I said it myself, it should not be stopped, if for no other reason, simply because letting "them" all come over here is not viable.

Neat. Personally, I'd skip Blu-ray mechanic since it will probably not get much use but add SSD, even smaller capacity one, for OS. Though I admit I am boot speed freak. Where is the power supply? I read its worth to get a decent one. Not necessarily overpowered one but a reliable one. The Seagate NAS is bad ass.

31 minutes ago, Raider5678 said:

I've brought this subject up to quite a few Republicans before who I know well enough that they respect my opinion on stuff.

When I point out more that it's not so much as taking it soft on drugs as trying a different method, and that method is changing their lifestyle, they often believe me. I use Vietnam Veterans as an example, a lot of them used drugs in the war yet when they came back to America and they got out of the highly stressful environment, the majority of them quit. 

The only thing I could NOT convince them of was that this method was worth the money. To them, they don't associate prison costs as compared to this method. They simply assume that imprisoning them costs virtually nothing but the food they eat and that this method is insanely expensive.

So I'd say if you wish to try and convince them, try making the point that it's fiscally more efficient in the long run, then in the short run.

Also, another thing that helps, is making hybrids of it. One thing I learned on this site is that there are very few Absolutes. Make exceptions to when it'd be considered criminal, and you'll find you'll garner a LOT more support a lot faster than you'd think. 

 

In April I'll spend 3 days participating in a mock government program. If you'd like I'll write a bill up that I believe implements this idea, and present it to them. I'll post it on here in a few days to get your opinion(The OP's) on whether you think it models your idea of a different approach to drugs.

I live in PA, and this mock government program is a group of teenagers between 14-19. One thing I know is that a lot of kids my age, their views, their beliefs, are aligned with their parents. It may change when they go to college, but the majority will have the same views as of now. Pennslyvania voted Republican, so I know that a good portion of these kids is probably Republican. Getting it passed, will mean I was able to appeal to their sense of belief, and in my opinion, show that a different approach to drugs may yet be possible. We can't make a leap all at once, and the first step to changing the way we approach drugs is providing an alternative approach to a large portion of people, and making them BELIEVE it can work. 

Do you agree? If so I'll go ahead and write this bill.

 

Legit concern. The sentence after this one invalidates it however.  The problem is complex and requires complex considerations.

The program you are planning to be involved with sounds promising. Personally, I would like to hear about your experiences and progress.

One step at the time.

The world is copying it since there is evidence it works. 

For example here:

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In the Czech Republic, the National Drug Policy Strategy 2010-18 originally focused solely on illicit drugs, but in 2014 and 2016 was revised to address alcohol, tobacco and gambling (Figure 1). The strategy is comprehensive and has four pillars: prevention; treatment and resocialisation; harm reduction; and supply reduction. It is complemented by three supporting domains: coordination and funding; monitoring, research and evaluation; and international cooperation. In the area of illicit drugs, the strategy defines four key objectives: (i) to reduce the level of experimental and occasional drug use; (ii) to reduce the level of problem and intensive drug use; (iii) to reduce potential drug-related risks to individuals and society; and (iv) to reduce drug availability, particularly to young people. The implementation of the strategy is supported by a series of consecutive three-year action plans for each area.

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http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/country-drug-reports/2017/czech-republic_en

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btw is "political will" a euphemism for ignorance of voters? Rhetorical. 

7 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

No, it wasn't the topic question, but it has become the question of the topic, what child, what illness, what evidence etc...

Alright then, well in that case, I still think it probably should not be a criminal offense. Not sure why it matters what I think though. In my eyes, well being on a child is top priority when it comes to conflict of interests (rights of parents vs rights of child or rights of child vs upholding a law - think of underage having sex and having a child).  So this would be the starting point for me if I was presented to judge such case. If taking away child from parents would benefit the child, I would probably be for such step. As noted, in certain cases it's probably not in best interest of a child to have parents in jail so this is where "probably" from my first sentence comes from. 

OP asked several questions. To me it seems, the status quo (over here) is sufficient since the number of cases of parents refusing to vaccinate remains low and so does the number of diseases vaccination aims to prevent. Though there is some indication, would need to search for a source, that the latter could be changing lately.

Understanding the status quo, how and why it came to be,  answers some of the questions asked. The link I posted was to demonstrate that there can be exceptions to the status quo and these exceptions are for the courts to determine as individual cases need to be examined from various angles. Failing to immunize is not the same as committing murder, for example, so not making statements valid across the board seems reasonable to me.

I do not think you, dimreepr, are ignoring anything. Just you quoted me, so I replied. 

6 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Indeed, but you ignore the fact that the latter always has the 'potential' to impact the well being of a child.

I didn't say that either.

I do not or rather I am aware of the said potential. The question, however, was not: How to deal with parents whose child happen to be negatively impacted by lack of immunization? which surely is an interesting and important question. 

2 hours ago, koti said:

Not feeding a child should not be treated the same as not vaccinating a child - doing so would be preposterous. You might as well throw people in jail for life for parking violations. 

I think that failing to vaccinate your children should be subjected to painful monetary fines where the fine is dependable on your income. I think Sweden has something similar in place for driving violations...few years back a large bank CEO got a 40 thousand dollar (or something in that ball park) fine for speeding.

Yes fines derived from income, wealth?, is very interesting concept as it reflects the purpose of penalizing more let's say justly and fulfills the aim of penalizing more closely. However, that its for another debate. 

@dimreepr

Well, what can I say? It is your right to disagree. To me, in given context, it sounds reasonable.

Not sure whether nor not malnutrition is a criminal offense. I guess it can be and I am sure it's ground for social services to step in. Interestingly, for me, enough obesity is not seen the same way. 

In my feeble understanding, there is a fundamental difference between malnutrition and lack of immunization: the former always impacts well being of a child.

No, it probably should not be a criminal offense as, with regards to well being of a child, having parent/s in jail can have serious consequences for their child. 

Who gets to decide? Over here, courts: http://www.radio.cz/en/section/curraffrs/court-undermines-mandatory-czech-vaccination-regime

btw the title of the article is imo misleading. Vaccination was not undermined and 99% of parents (statistics not made up) of parents comply with mandatory vaccination regime over here. 

Out of curiosity, why not use dedicated mining HW (ASIC) and why to balance CPU with GPU (I do not think it matter for mining)?

3 hours ago, Carrock said:

If the manufacturer got it right, overclocking is a sacrifice of reliability for speed.

Getting higher spec components that provide the required speed is sometimes more cost effective.

High reliability website hosts often underclock their processors and emphasize that in their advertising,

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The way I understand it, basically the only concern when o/c, outside of adequate voltage for stability, is temperature. Temperature can be compensated for and o/c system can even run at lower temperatures than stock one. The question Sensei asked is deciding factor: What do you want your system to do? Run stable server or 60fps 4k video game or example. I'd be pretty surprised, which means little btw, that o/ced CPU running at a lower temperature is much less stable and has shorter longevity than CPU running stock speed with higher temperatures. There are no moving parts, so to say, after all.

Once I've heard that all CPUs with same architecture but running different speeds are made out of same pieces of silicon, just some can clock higher, lower respectively, at the same temperature than others. Never really investigated the notion though.

Overclocking for gaming, to get better value of purchase and just because its ..cool. Oh wait! Seeing the GeForce GTX 1080 Ti, gaming in high resolution/detail is probably one the reasons.

The i5-2500K is just too old so its likely bottleneck for system with GeForce GTX 1080 Ti

How about Delid?

Back in days I sanded down heatsink on coppermine CPU and this looks much safer  

Since war is or can be the so-called black swan event, the law of probability can tell us little about future wars. Wars are often waged for resources so to avoid wars is to have plenty of resources and close economic and other ties. 

Right. Well, I cant answer your question as I do not know the answer. Was just trying to bring to attention, not sure how relevant it is to you, that Z370 is on the horizon.

As there is "Can I Run It?" site https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri, there ought to be "Where Is My Bottleneck?" site  

You are basically getting the top performance gfx and one of the best CPUs for o/c, and I wonder if there is anything to balance in such setup

While it's certainly correct that balancing CPU and gfx is essential for best results, I have never seen a formula to determine it. When I read about bottleneck (CPU or gfx) its either anecdotes or comparison of specifications which are not obviously comparable.

btw since you are upgrading from relatively old setup (I have similar), I assume you are not planning to upgrade again soon, have you considered chipset roadmap?

On the contrary, I would think that circumstance has to be extraordinary but that is not why we are here on this topic. All I wanted to say I support the notion of "more democracy" from previous posts, and while doing so I got sidetracked, sorry about that. 

On a lighter note: