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Yep, It's a sad state !

Life is GOOD! Definately no complaints, Tasmania's climate is rapidly becomming the best climate in the world ! LG :) But oooooh I wouldn't like to live in some places !

What does the speed and distance relation that is constant (and not dependant upon mass) mean to you Fafalone?

Babies do change the world, in a big way

E X I S T E N C E Soon the earth will cover us all: then the Earth too will change, and the things also which result from change will continue to change forever. It is only in rebirth that things remain intact. A person can neither lose the past nor the future: for what a person has not, how can any take this from them. Therefore the present is the only thing of which a person can be deprived, if it is true that this is the only thing which they have, and that a person cannot lose a thing if they have it not. Time is like a river made up of events which happen, and what a violent stream: for as soon as a thing has been seen, it is carried away, and another comes in it's place, and this will be carried away as well. Death is such as generation is, a mystery of LIFE. Many grains of frankincense on the same altar: one falls before, another after; but it makes no difference. Ancient Stoic philosophy.

That's fantastic, a bright light, but it certainly has been a wild summer in the Northern Hemisphere. Down here in the South, we may have to get prepared, there is drought in both Tasmania and and Australia. Oh well count our blessings

HONG KONG, China - CNN- Flooding that has claimed an estimated 1,800 lives across Asia is worsening, with forecasters predicting conditions to deteriorate further over the next few days. New deaths have been reported in Vietnam and Nepal in recent days, and more rain is forecast, officials said. Rivers in Bangladesh's Brahmaputra River basin, fed by rains and floodwaters from neighboring India, continued to rise, the Flood Forecasting and Warning Center said in Dhaka. Large parts of South Asia have been devastated by monsoonal flooding over the past two months, while low-lying regions in Thailand, Vietnam and China have also been hard hit. ANCHORAGE, Alaska (Reuters) -- Wildfires driven by warm, dry weather in May and August, have burned more than 2 million acres (800,000 hectares) of forest in Alaska this summer, almost three times the annual average, state officials said on Monday. The list of extreme weather this year alnoe is extreme

Fafalone, the period comes from the orbital velocity and the distance from the centre. The solar system does not have a flat rotation, it's speed of rotation is solely dependant upon the distance from the centre. This would not be expected in any system other than a spiralling field

" this (does) not at all point to a vortex shape" It is mandatory that in a vortex, a swirling whirlpool, that mass in not instrumental in the speed of motion. All bodies will given time go at the speed of the rotation! :)

Ah but theres the rub, Fafalone, the position of the planets, and their speed does NOT rely on it's mass, as I have shown. The implications of this are simple, the whole motion of the whole system is in a spiral vortex, objects are not moving independant of each other, implying IMO that the planets are ejected from the Sun. Data that has bee TOLD to me by an astronomer indicates the Moon is moving away from the Earth, and the Earth is moving away from the Sun. The system can not be static, it is either going in or out! Most people think it is going in, and the theory of "attractive" gravity would imply a spiralling in.

I am talking of a plane vortex, a spiral. All the planets are in a relation, Bode recognised this, and Kepler formalised it a bit more rigoursly. Centripetal force in an open system is dependant upon rv^2, in a closed system it is v^2 /r .

The rv^2 is Keplers 3 rd law in another form. period p^2 is proportional to distance from centre r^3 but v = r / p using this v in rv^2 rv^2 = (r / p ) ^2 * r = r^3 / p^2 I used this though because it calculates the angular velocity an object should have at a point at distance from the centre of a vortex. Since they all equal K ( 887) the planets are all where they should be, and verify that they are actually in a vortex, that is independant of mass!

Why does that burst my bubble, it is a good idea! The temperatures that are published are air temperatures, and air temperature by itself has little influence on water evaporation. Can you find a link to that Hogslayer

Here is decisive proof that the solar system is a vortex that does not rely on mass. mean orbital velocity (km/sec) / mean distance from the Sun / period yrs / K= rv^2 :- Mercury 47.89 / 0.39 / 0.24 / 895 Venus 35.03 / 0.7 / 0.62 / 882 Earth 29.79 / 1 / 1 / 888 Mars 24.13 / 1.52 / 1.88 / 871 Jupiter 13.06 / 5.2 / 11.86 / 878 Saturn 9.64 / 9.54 / 29.46 / 875 Uranus 6.81 / 19.81 / 84.01 / 925 Neptune 5.43 / 30.06 / 164.8 / 903 Pluto 4.74 / 39.44 / 247.7 / 870 Mean K = 887 Graph of distance against velocity is exponential so rv^2 / 4 pi^2 = 887 / 40 = 22. The 22 is a characteristic of the spiral in the vortex. This vortex is independant of matter, and is spiralling out from the centre, if current observations are correct!

At least Fafalone, you are getting some idea what I am trying to achieve, the formulae are crude I know, but a little help here, a criticism there, and soon it will make sense. At least I am now delving into the maths of the phenomena! And the answer lies in all this somewhere!! Thanks for your input

Well Fafalone, we both agree on that one!! The information must have been astounding, considering the quality of what we do have!

I do not know Aman. My limited knowledge, has the opinion drawn from forgotten sources, that most of the works were lost and only recollections remain. I have seen it stated that if it wasn't for the arabs keeping some works, ie the illiad, Plato's works etc, we wouldn't have anything! I have also read that when modern scholars tried to understand Stoicism, they failed to make sense of the philosophy, mainly I suppose because Stoicism was the philosophy directly before Christianity. Many of the Christrian doctrines come directly from Stoicism. Christianity was far more mystical and simple, and only required faith. It won with the uneducated masses.

OIl on water slows evaporation ! That sounds like wishful thinking there Aman.

You must remove people from society who have lost the conscience control. I agree, these people IN PARTICULAR must be demetalised. All drinking water must be pure. Strict restrictions and education re metals in food!! Clean air. Once all these are in place the society will slowly right itself, and we will be truely safe. All other solutions will be ineffective and only lead to total destruction. Just remember I am you and you are me, we collectively and the rest of LIFE are one organism designed for OUR GOOD!

Those two 10 year olds in England are dead! Abduction is becomming more and more common. Unless society starts to answere the most important questions, all our children are placed at risk. Running around after the face is not going to prevent one crime of madness and passion. I realise it is impossible for people to apraise the situation when it becomes personal, but as scientists, we must be able to make the impartial decisions, even if it is hard, and have the love and trust in the Creation to act upon those decisions! AS scientists, I have presented metal poisioning to all of you, I have proved my case to all who are not fearful, and so to all those well enough informed I say our childrens future is in our hands. The problems of the future will be immense, there will be many reasons for crime ( organs, sex, anger, insanity), if we can not create a society where, at the least, our citizens are not poisioned, then the time will come when we will not even be safe locked in a solitary confinement cell! Put your head in the sand, scream revenge, but remember Madness know not fear nor consequence. It is up to us to make our world the best we can, so do not be seduced by mumbles.

Note..... I do not know how to post the integral sign so I have used a differential, maybe some one will correct my deficiency!!

MATHEMATICS E(electromotive) = d(phi)/dt so if we extend that into a spherical field then = [1/4*pi*r^2]*[d(phi)/dt] = K*[d(phi)/dt] / r^2 = K a I / r^2 Where d(phi)/dt = integral of emf produced by electric field I and acceleration a (+ - ) and so M (magnetomotive force)= K a B / r^2 Spin gravity force = torque set up by these two vectors E and M generates a dipolar eddy spin that spirals into the centre of spin, if a is negative and out from the centre of spin, if a is positive. In both cases K = 1/ 4 pi a constant r = distance from centre of spin

That's right Amann. I think if we changed the way we measure temperature, ie used what I call "water temperature" to report conditions (instead of air temperature) we would understand more clearly the reasons why water evaporates or not at the same air temperature, and why we feel hot or why it gets cold all of a sudden. This way of reporting temperature for humans (and LIFE) is more personal for us, since we are water creatures, we are not air creatures! Love your party!! :)

Thanks, for that Fafalone, that clears it up. I knew a lot of the old masters works were destroyed, in many cases forever at Alexandria!

You know more than me about this Rad E. This is what my impression was. I thought that we only have the texts of Plato etc, becaue the arabs had them safe. I thought the crusaders burnt the library, and generally burnt all the copies the west had. Seems that history is another subject I should leave to others! May be there was another earlier incident! Just looked it up, the library was destroyed about 400 AD, crusades as you stated were 600 years later???