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Live interview on the sunday evening update show here. These week is the cryonicist Brian Wowk.

If this embeding doesnt work then its at imminst.org/tv

Ask your questions here live. Discuss it here in the science forums.

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I volunteer for, support the whole cause, I support anything that can help us live longer with health. I was a sens foundation undergraduate research volunteer. Not sure if Im listed as one any more.

SENS is some of the only research going so far. We are working on helping devlop more through different sources. For example, there is Michael Roses work on ending aging that takes a different approach. Thats the only other one I know of so far.

Rather than try to down load ourselves in to computers, or worry about whether or not immortality is possible, why not just end the aging process and then take it one day at a time from there?

The grass roots work for the cause and the hard core science is picking up more and more all the time. This is the cause of all causes. Its under way, and we need everybody who wants to help that we can get.

Just this month our organization setting up a matching grant for a peice of the research. Its laser ablation of lipofuscin. Lipofuscin accumulates in our cells as we age and causes them to senesce, or die.

If this laser treatment, or future treatment like it is successful, it can go a long, long ways in helping stop aging.

This is an important discussion. I would love to get more ideas from the kinds of people we have around here.

What new book?

To the person that said that we cant live indefinitely, tell me again how you know what is possible and what isnt?

It may not be possible, but there are many things that point to it, like that we can cure some diseases and are getting better and better at it, and that they know the seven causes of aging. Its only a matter of time now. We are already working on it. The more support and expeditious spirit the better.

Like somebody said, I forget who, to paraphrase, "The impossible is usually accomplished by those that were to stupid to realize it was impossible."

Like Wayne Gretzky said, "100% of the shots you dont take dont go in." and like Marget Mead said, "Never doubt the power of small groups of people to change the world, indeed it is the only thing that ever has."

There are a million projects working to further this cause every day. If anybody wants to get in on any and or lend ideas and insight to any then let me know.

Alright, good questions and points. I dont have time to go over them all right now, but the Dr. Aubrey deGrey is being interviewed live here: imminst.org/tv in less than an hour, so you can ask the man himself.

If your interested then please do show up there and then we can discuss it here later if anybody wants to. Your perspectives there would be great.

Thats imminst.org/tv -be there or be square.

Immorality is the most desired commodity in the world. Religions mine it, process it, and sell it to the masses, gaining both huge profits and preponderant power in world affairs. The Christian religion, for example, promises an afterlife in heaven with Jesus and his celebrated Father. Islam promises about the same thing: Mohammed will be up there, too, along and a bunch of dancing virgins. But that kind of immortality is not for everyone.

 

What constitutes immortality? How would you know if you’re immortal or not. Woody Allen said once that immortality is a hard sell because it will take forever to prove its worth. But wait. Is flesh and blood immortality really what we’re after? Or is it another kind? It’s true that some of us are more immortal than others, if we count durability of the human memory as a measure of immortality. I would venture say that as long as human memory exists people like Socrates and Hitler will live immortally, at least in terms of being remembered.

 

John Updike died yesterday, after achieving literary immortality with his Rabbit novels. If that kind of immortality is a measure of anything then I’m absolutely sure that Updike got more of it than I ever will.

 

As long as we remain alive as biological creatures, believing that immortality must be a biological thing, we are bound to be disappointed. The same thing can be said about spiritual immortality: it’s taking more and more clapping to keep Tinker Bell alive, and someday we’ll run out of claps. The answer to immortality in the twenty-first century is not going to be found in the biological sciences or chemistry, because it will not be an extension of molecular biology. It will be an extension of Facebook or YouTube—computerized downloads of digital information about humans and life on this planet.

 

And the uploading has already. Today, for all practical purposes, you are immortal if you are Googleable. As long as humans and computers are around, which will be forever in human terms, your cyber immortality is assured. In the long term it’s the only immortality that will ever have any real meaning. This is why we need to write a User’s Manual for immortality. So, I’m out fishing for chapter titles. Any suggestions?

Being alive through memory and books and computers is great and all, but it can confuse people and make them think that maybe they do "live on". There is a big difference between being alive and enjoying life and experience and having your name written in the corner of a couple dozen books somewhere. We want to be able to have the chance to witness the future indefinite pioneering of the universe and all of existence and we want the chance to know the requisite 8.

By the way, for anybody interested in the science that is working to help us live with indefinite healthy lifespans, one of the worlds leading researchers, Dr. Aubrey deGrey, is going to be interviewed live tomorrow, sunday April 19th at 5pm cst time here: imminst.org/tv

If you watch it, the please comment on it here in scienceforums.

Well, Im kind of lost in the "CAN" and "CAN'T"s now. I know Im guilty of it too sometimes.

We will find a way, and we are finding a way. It may not be exactly this or that specific path, and we will encounter many bumps along the way and find much maybe unexpected smooth sailing along the way.

There are 7 catagories of damage that accumulate till the point of death, that we call aging. There are strategies that are already developed to combat these. There are also a couple other approaches besides the engineering of damage removal.

Part of what we do is work to build on to these lists of strategies, through peer review processes. If you guys want to help us brainstorm with that more directly then let me know. I can direct you to the areas where the researchers are doing this.

Tomorrow, the Dr. Aubrey deGrey, one of the worlds leading authorities on ending aging science is going to be interviewed. You can watch and interact live via the chat box and will have a chance to skype in.

Its tomorrow, sunday April 19th at 5pm cst, 6pm est, here: imminst.org/tv

Please comment about it here in this scienceforums topic if you watch it. I could embed it for people to watch straight from here but Im not sure if I can enable html in this topic.

My friend linked me to an AI topic here and when I tried to register it said somebody was already using my name. So I put in my password and found I had already signed up here. So I went looking for what I had written before. Interesting perspective.

Ok, we may not be able to cure them with gene replacement, but we have developed working therapies and we're on our way.

We already have the nanotechnology and are on our way to nanobots. So your right, but like you say we are on our way.

Cells die due to damage accumulated by metabolism. Many of us call them diseases.

We can stop or slow it by engineering the removal of the damage that accumulates before it becomes pathogenic. We could also select for genes that cause metabolism to perform at a more optimal rate so it accumulates far less damage. We will still die, but we will have a chance to live on much longer.

No Im not crazy, and yes I do think we can bypass them. We live in the age of exponential technological progress after all. The tools at our disposal are becoming more powerful by the year now.

We can already take out genes and replace them to cure diseases, we have nanobots, thousands of which can fit on the head of a pin, exponentiality is on a rampant rise.

There are 7 diseases that cause our cells to age. They dont stand a chance. It is only a matter of time now. It is only a matter of people wanting it and helping move it forward faster.

Immortality already has a users manual. We are already well underway with working on making it happen. There are 7 diseases that age our cells and we are busy furiously supporting ways to research them.

Its not immortality that we call it per say though, its indefinity. We can never live forever, because you will never know if you will die tomorrow. You could make it to 10 zillion years old, but still die the next day.

Any other comments?

Do you know where I can find that info with in that site? I will look when my mind gets back into its reading mode.

That is true, It is a daunting challenge, but look at it. The tip of the ice berg is barely touched. but put the worlds population in the shape of an ice berg and you would see that the number of people being used to cure those diseases, the tip of that ice berg, is barely being touched. Daunting tasks are rendered less so when broken down into smaller projects.

One person can do one years worth of work in one year, though one billion people can do one billion years worth of work in one year. God, I get shivers almost every time I write or think about that.

How do I find the information on what every known research facility in the world that works on alleviating a mortal condition is doing?

I desperately need this information. If you know or have an idea of how to go about finding out, or can come up with any creative ideas to try to go about finding out then please let me know. Its a part of a very important project Im working on to list all the jobs needed to extend life spans and motivate people to do them.

I need a list of every disease known to humankind. Does any body have any idea where I can find the most thorough list possible?

This information is a very important part of a project to create a list of jobs to get life spans extended that Im working on.

Do you know why its only about 10 years for a lung? Do you know what the current standings and thoughts on perfecting the lung transplant are?

What about everything else, say a person needed a new artery, new veins, new lymph ducts, a new sino atrial node, a new finger bone, a new pineal gland, can all of those things be replaced ?

If you know or can find somebody that does know I would be much in your debt.

I read that dna is wound to a specific degree and then as we get older that it unwinds and that that contributes to aging. Is that true?

I read that dna is wound to a specific degree and then as we get older that it unwinds and that that contributes to aging. Is that true?

I read that cancer cells have their dna wound back wards. Is that true? I doubt it, but maybe somebody can shed some light on that.

Since a lot of death occurs because a persons body becomes impeded from producing enough immunity, why cant science just take the white blood cells from another person and flood the sick person with them? Couldnt they IV them directly from one person to another some how?

Which body parts can be replaced by live ones and which ones can be replaced by mechanical ones. If you know them all then please list them, other wise list the exceptions that cant be transplanted or replaced.

Im building a general blue print for a list of jobs. The list of jobs involves every job needing to be done if we were to hypothetically go out and cure every disease, dissorder, affliction and dissabling health condition with in the next 50 years.

What I need now is to explain the concept to somebody who knows how to write up the idea in the form of a proffessionally organized and thorough proposal.

If I can just get the proposal drawn up like that so I can feel confident in promoting it then I will doing some heavy, heavy marketing and persuading to get people to look at it and get some initial funds pouring into this project so we can accelerate its completion.

If the owner of this group is reading this, please let me know if you care if I post links to peices of writing from my forums in msn that go into different details about this.