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What do they eat in pine forests in the dead of winter?

Pine seeds & all the other animals that also seek shelter from the harsh weather

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_black_bear

 

Black bears were once not considered true or "deep" hibernators, but because of discoveries about the metabolic changes that allow black bears to remain dormant for months without eating, drinking, urinating, or defecating, most biologists have redefined mammalian hibernation as "specialized, seasonal reduction in metabolism concurrent with scarce food and cold weather". Black bears are now considered highly efficient hibernators.[58][59]

Black bears enter their dens in October and November. Prior to that time, they can put on up to 30 pounds of body fat to get them through the seven months during which they fast. Hibernation in black bears typically lasts 3–5 months.[15] During this time, their heart rate drops from 40–50 beats per minute to 8 beats per minute. They spend their time in hollowed-out dens in tree cavities, under logs or rocks, in banks, caves, or culverts, and in shallow depressions. Females, however, have been shown to be pickier in their choice of dens, in comparison to males.[60] Although naturally-made dens are occasionally used, most dens are dug out by the bear itself.[53] A special hormone, leptin is released into the black bear's systems, to suppress appetite. Because they do not urinate or defecate during dormancy, the nitrogen waste from the bear's body is biochemically recycled back into their proteins. This also serves the purpose of preventing muscle loss, as the process uses the waste products to build muscle during the long periods of inactivity. In comparison to true hibernators, their body temperature does not drop significantly (staying around 35 degrees Celsius) and they remain somewhat alert and active. If the winter is mild enough, they may wake up and forage for food. Females also give birth in February and nurture their cubs until the snow melts.[61] During winter, black bears consume 25–40% of their body weight.

 

The bears that you and your friend see are becoming typical due to people's reluctance to kill them out their back doors as was the case up to 20 - 30 years ago. These bears no longer fear humans. They have moved down to populated areas for foraging garbage. The bears that habitat high elevations in cold climes do hibernate. These are the same locations always claimed as habitat for Bigfoot, high rugged mountainous areas with heavy winter snow accumulation. This has always been the excuse by Bigfoot believers, that they are in these remote areas, living their lives unseen which it seems would require some type of winter accommodations. Unless you think their down in the suburbs now, digging in peoples garbage cans.

They seem to be seen a lot more in fall & spring than any other time. I think in the fall, they are gathering food for winter & I think they stick to pine forests in winter. A lot of sightings are in or near pine forests

 

The entire folklore of Bigfoot in my area, that is the N.W. U.S., is framed by a solitary individual roaming the mountains of the Coast and Cascade ranges and even extending eastward into the Rockies. So far this behavior resembles, as already mentioned by Arete, that of the black bear. What would a large primate living in the same environment as a black bear be required to do to survive these harsh winter environments. Historic Native American tribes give evidence that to survive the coldest winter conditions in these areas require a communal society working together for food and shelter. Often needing to move frequently to locate game and shelter in milder climes.

 

The bears survival is dependent on being spread out enough to limit its competition with other bears for the resources needed to fatten up during the summer in preparation for a long harsh winter of little sustenance. The harshness of these winters on the bears is validated in that hibernation is essential to their survival.

 

It would then seem almost a requirement that a large ape would need to hibernate through the winter in these extreme environs. This would require shelter similar to that of the bears. A dugout earthen cave with a small opening, its sleeping area lined with foliage. A large cave opening would not suffice in these cold alpine winters of below freezing temperatures. And would this creature also store food for the winter like a squirrel? This is the crux of the matter, where are these domiciles, these winter quarters that would contain hair and DNA, possibly even bones of a death from natural causes.

1) Black bears don't really hibernate. At least not to the degree other bears do. That's common knowledge to bear hunters. A few years ago, a friend of mine posted a pic of a fresh bear track in her front yard in snow. 2)Black bears don't spread out much. There are at least 8 different black bears in the immediare vicinity of my neighborhood. A neighbor took pics of a sow (with brown on her muzzle) & four tiny cubs this summer. Last summer, I saw a sow & two cubs cross the road. All were totally black.

Bighfoots have long been thought to be semi-nomadic. Following food supplies. There are reports of them being seen eating various types of things. Fish, small rodents, berries, digging for grubs, etc...However, there are beginning to be more & more reports of them staying in areas for an extended period of time. I never gave these reports any credit until they started coming from a very well respected, Christian lady who was a nurse & a missionary. suspect this is happening because available wilderness areas are shrinking

 

 

Yes i read it, it's obviously agenda driven, would you expect a sales receipt 30 or 40 some odd years after the fact? The most reasonable explanation is a hoax, you have the source of the costume, the fact that the guy who filmed it told his witness not to shoot a bigfoot "if" they found one, then they coincidentally find one on their first try... it stinks of hoax to me, my BS meter is pegged to the max...

First try? LOL! Roger Patterson had been investigating reports for 8 years. Where is the suit now? There are hefty rewards for the suit & for proof the film is a hoax. Both rewards are over 30 years old & unclaimed

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson-Gimlin_film

 

You're so far behind.

A)Morris could offer no proof of his claim. No bill of sale, etc...

B)A book written a few years ago for the purpose of debunking the film, went along with the Morris claim until the last chapter. In the last chapter, it claimed Roger Patterson made the suit out of horse hyde

C)The late Dr. Grover Krantz stated in a documentary & even demonstrated that it was possible for a person to walk that way

It never ceases to amaze me how skeptics reject the film, despite several forms of analyses by several different people, that support its authenticity. But a guy claims he sold the costume to Patterson & skeptics automatically believe him. Even though he has no proof. Bob Heronimous tied his claim of being the guy in the suit, in with the Morris claim. But here's the thing. 1)On the NatGeo program "Is It Real?" Bob Heronimous claimed Patterson offered him $2000 to wear the costume, but never paid him & he kept quiet until the early 1990's. But on an internet radio show about Bigfoot that I listened to, he claimed Patterson offered him $1000 & when he came back into town after filming, he stopped off at a local bar & showed the suit to everyone in the bar. 2)When he offered to take people to the film location, he couldn't even find it.

Did you even look at http://themunnsreport.com ?

 

 

 

 

The Patterson film is a know fake, it was admitted to by the fakers many years ago, regardless it seems unlikely that the skull would bear any more than a superficial resemblance to a gorilla...

No it wasn't. That was a rumor started by a reporter who didn't do his homework. Back in the late 1970's a man named Ray Wallace confessed to hoaxing a lot of tracks out west & became somewhat famous for it. When he died, a local newspaper or tv station sent a reporter to interview his family for a human interest piece. His widow showed him a film he made of her in a Gorilla suit & the reporter assumed it was the famous Patterson/Gimlin film because he thought there was only one video. Work is ongoing on the Patterson/Gimlin film http://www.themunnsreport.com

All the hunters have said it seems to human to shoot

I assume that Sarmiento knows exactly what a Baboon skull looks like. Thus, I assume that his opinion was that no further investigation needs to be conducted.

 

Another question has to be why no-one has yet shot a big foot? You have lots of hunting and plenty of gun carrying individuals, right? So why don't we have an example of a shot big foot?

Fossil evidence of Chimpanzees wasn't found until relatively recently. If the Patterson/Gimlin film is real, Bigfoot has a head like a Gorilla. Wouldn't it be reasonable to assume it also has a mandible like a Gorilla & therefore if a mandible were found, a skeptic would assume someone was trying to perpetrate a hoax with a Gorilla mandible, since Gorillas are scientifically proven to exist and Bigfoot isn't? A few years ago, a Bigfoot researcher found what appeared to be a Bigfoot skull in Ohio. Dr. Esteban Sarmiento looked at it & ruled it a Babboon skull, without any DNA testing. So how will proper testing ever get done if bones are found?

My main problem with bigfoot is that there are no bigfoot road kills, in the US any animal that exists eventually ends up as road kill, humans even end up as road kill, no bigfoot road kills no bigfoot...

Actually the number of sightings indicate they are much more rare than other animals & are most often seen in remote areas

An ecological niche model based on bigfoot sightings overlaps astonishingly well with that of the black bear...

 

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2699.2009.02152.x/full

I've noticed they are usually seen in areas where there are bears & it makes sense that the other animals you mentioned, would also be in the same area. I can only think of one place where a property owner claims sightings that there are no bears & his claims are highly suspicious to me. He talks like they are seen often on his 1500 acre property, but he's had 15 experienced hunters hunting his property for a mature male specimen for 20 years, without success. If Bigfoots are as plentiful as he indicates, getting a mature male specimen should've taken a week at the most

Opinions on what? It's a map of bigfoot sightings.

 

The counterargument to bigfoot, et. al, in graphical form: http://xkcd.com/1235/

In your opinion, does this map being on the LiveScience website lend credibility to the possibility of Bigfoot?

http://www.livescience.com/39785-bigfoot-map-sasquatch-sightings-gis.html?cmpid=545410 Opinions please