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If it involves "aether" it is presumably bogus.

 

 

OK Can you explain why you think that my explanation of Pioneer аnomaly is probably wrong

Here's one of my discussion of ether and the Michelson–Morley experiment

http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?144893-Aether-theory-with-experimental-verification

What do you think about my explanation of Pioneer аnomaly

http://vixra.org/abs/1407.0102

I have a few questions.

Is there a link between Pioneer anomaly and flyby anomaly?

OK They solved Pioneer anomaly. They used thermal model of the two spacecraft Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11.

http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.2507

Astrophysicist Slava G. Turyshev said

” We still have an uncertainty in our study of less than 18 percent. But for me, this is the answer. Some may argue it is not final, but in my mind we did a good job, and it's very clear what happened.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2012/08/the_pioneer_anomaly_heat_generators_slowed_down_pioneer_10_and_11_in_deep_space_.html

In article we can read

http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/9808081v2.pdf

” Radio metric data from the Pioneer 10/11, Galileo, and Ulysses spacecraft indicate an

apparent anomalous, constant, acceleration acting on the spacecraft with a magnitude ∼

8.5 × 10 −8 cm/s 2 , directed towards the Sun.”

ap∼ 8.5 × 10 −8 cm/s 2

Did they used their thermal model to explain anomaly for Galileo, and Ulysses spacecraft, or only used thermal model for Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11?

Here is one intresting article

http://archive.today/YvUP#selection-507.173-507.192

”Gary Page of George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia, and his colleagues have identified 15 asteroids that might also be subjected to the mysterious force. The asteroids' orbits all stretch far into the outer ...”

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0504367

Doppler residuals (observed minus computed data) is very important. Doppler residuals (frequency residuals) is linked to ap, so if anyone wants to explain anomaly, he should explain origin of Doppler residuals or ap. In case Pioneer anomaly they used thermal model.

In case fly by anomaly Doppler residuals should be explaind too.

” While the Doppler residuals (observed minus computed data) were expected to remain flat, the analysis revealed an unexpected 66 mHz shift, which corresponds to a velocity increase of 3.92 mm/s at perigee. “

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyby_anomaly

I did not write enough on this forum, but you can read an interesting discussion of aether, Michelson–Morley experiment, theory of relativity here

link deleted by mod

OK we will discuss about OPERA experiment.
English is not my native language, but I hope that you will understand my
explanation, and again sorry for my bad english.

1. according to general relativity and Einstein gravitacional field is equvalent to space.
of course we can later discuss about this sentence, but according to aether theory, aether
itself is space. I think that aether is some kind of supstance, some people say that Higgs field is
maybe aether. Aether is medium, and you, me, earth move through the aether, like fish move
through water. We can later discuss about Michelson-Morley experiment.

wikipedia CITATION Quantum mechanics can be used to describe spacetime as being non-empty at
extremely small scales, fluctuating and generating particle pairs that appear and disappear incredibly
quickly. It has been suggested by some such as Paul Dirac that this quantum vacuum may be the
equivalent in modern physics of a particulate aether. However, Dirac's aether hypothesis was motivated
by his dissatisfaction with quantum electrodynamics, and it never gained support by the mainstream
scientific community.

2. What is inertial frame of reference or inertial frame? It is not easy to answer to this question. In
clasicall physics we can use accelerometer to detect acceleration. If acceleration is zero system is
inertial frame. If acceleration is not zero system is non-inertial reference frame. Most of the time when
we you drive car, car is non-inertial reference frame. Earth is non-inertial reference frame too, you
know about Coriolis effect, and similar effects, but during very small time intervals Earth can be
considered as inertial frame.

3. Maybe you in your free time play billiards-pool. If you want to calculate speed of balls after colision
you will use law of momentum conservation, and law of conservation of energy. Of course room where
you play billiards is inertial frame. Similar situation me have in particle, nuclear physics, but we use
relativistic momentum and relativistic energy. In Minkowski space, energy and momentum can be seen
as two components of a Minkowski four-vector.

4. How to make neutrino beam in OPERA experiment. First, make a beam of protons. Next, smash the
proton beam into a “target”, just a thin slab of material. The protons will hit atomic nuclei in the
material and shatter them, not only breaking them apart into their protons and neutrons but creating
many other particles in the process, including pions of both positive and negative electric charge. All
of these particles come flying out the back of the target slab, giving us a beam of protons, neutrons,
pions, and a few other stray particles. Now put the beam near a magnet. A magnet will cause the paths
of charged particles to bend. So the neutrons go straight on; the negatively charged pions bend one
way; and the protons and positively charged pions bend the other way. The pions will begin to decay,
one by one turning into an anti-muon and a neutrino. The positively charged particles — the muons,
and any leftover pions and protons, will bend to one side. Let them run into the wall. What remains? A
neutrino beam.

What is important in this process. Decay of pions is very important. Pions are mesons with zero spin.
They decay due to the weak interaction. The primary decay mode of a pion, with probability 0.999877,
is a purely leptonic decay into an anti-muon and a muon neutrino.
What is mass of neutrino. Again it is dificcult question.

wikipedia CITATION The Standard Model of
particle physics assumed that neutrinos are massless. In July 2010 the 3-D Mega Z DR7 galaxy survey
reported that they had measured a limit of the combined mass of the three neutrino varieties to be less
than 0.28 eV.A tighter upper bound yet for this sum of masses, 0.23 eV, was reported in March 2013 by
the Planck collaboration.END OF CITATION

In both cases (neutrinos are massless and mass of neutrino is 0.3 eV) when we analize pions decay we
use relativistic law of energy-momentum conservation thus combines and generalizes in one
relativistically expression the separate conservation laws of prerelativistic physics: the conservation of
mass, the conservation of momentum, and the conservation of energy. After solving equations in both
cases neutrinos are not faster than light.

5. After this long introduction now I explain OPERA experiment from standpoint my eather theory.
Earth move through the aether, and during experiment Earth can be considered as inertial frame. In
CERN pions decay into an anti-muon and a muon neutrino, and I also use relativistic law of energy-
momentum conservation and neutrinos are not faster than light. Why I use relativistic law of energy-
momentum conservation. In my opinion french scientist Poencare discovered the basic equations of
dinamics. Poincaré perfected Lorentz's theory using his mathematical theory of groups, and Lorentz's
"Theory of electrons" is aether theory.

I recomend you to read book-Henri Poincare and Relativity Theory. Author is A.A Logunov. Book can
be found at site arxiv.

In the end I will ask moderator of this subforum:
May I give you links to read - download my book?
sorry for my bad english again

you can use search engine Google and type into
your web browser

teorija etra branislav p pavlovic

and download my book.

pages from 228 to 230 are in English

later we can discuss about relativity,

aether et cetera

My name is Branislav Pavlović. I am from Serbia. I wrote a book ”Teorija etra sa eksperimentalnom verifikacijom” (Aether theory with experimental verification ). My book is in

Serbian. Book was published by [link removed], and book is about aether and theory of relativity. More information about the book can be found on the website [link removed].

If you want to read book just type in your internet browser

teorija etra branislav pavlovic

In this book I present the main results of my scientific work. My theory is based on the hypothesis of the existence of aether. In my work, I have devoted great attention not only to theoretical considerations but also to the explanation of experiments. I will mention just a few experiments (effects) which I have explained from the standpoint of my aether theory: the Michelson-Morley experiment, the Fizeau experiment, the aberration of light, the Ives-Stilwell experiment, the temperature dependent Pound-Rebka experiment, the Sagnac effect, and so on. Certain anomalies in the GPS system have been analyzed. The Pioneer anomaly has been analysed.




CONTENTS

1. Introduction
2. Theories and concepts of aether from ancient philosophers to contemporary viewpoints
3. Analysis of the elementary results of the special theory of relativity
4. Postulates of the aether theory
5. Elementary results of the aether theory
6. The Michelson-Morley experiment
7. The OPERA experiment - neutrino anomaly
8. Relativity of simultaneity
9. The Fizeau experiment
10. The interpretation of the Michelson-Morley experiment in case of the existence of dialectrics in the branches of the interferometer
11. The aberration of light
12. The Hoek experiment
13. The Doppler effect
14. Redshift and blueshift. Change of the frequency of the quantum system
15. The Ives-Stilwell experiment
16. The application of the Doppler effect in the analysis of the Michelson-Morley experiment
17. Experimental testing of the special theory of relativity using laser spectroscopy of fast lithium ions. Determination of the absolute velocity of the Earth
18. Experimental testing of the transversal Doppler effect using Moessbauer spectroscopy
19. The temperature dependent Pound-Rebka experiment.
20. The atomic clocks experiment on a rotating platform. The application of the aether theory within the system of general positioning (GPS)
21. The Pioneer anomaly
22. Henri Poincaré and the theory of relativity
23. The transformation of mechanical quantities from the standpoint of the aether theory
24. Applying equations to transform mechanical quantities on the grounds of the aether theory
25. The analysis of electrodynamics
26. Space and time from the standpoint of Newtonian mechanics
27. The analysis of the general theory of relativity. The explanation for certain experiments based on the application of optics and electrodynamics.
28. The movement of light in noninertial reference systems. The Sagnac effect
29. Using femtosecond lasers for experimental testing of the invariance of the speed of light