lordmagnus

I was not attempting to take this discussion private, the board members have jumped to conclusions (hope you all landed safely after that leap). I only wished to allow those who voted yes a way to speak to me without repercussions.

Hey, everybody that voted yes on the POLL, private message me, so we can chat some

Not saying I agree with this, but since I am young and want to educate myself, in detail how would one going about doing what you are suggesting. And spare no details plz.

The big problem is anti bodies in the chimpanze or human semen. This problem can be avoided useing common cattle and horse breeding techniques. The other species immune system will auto attack and destroy the semen from the other species. taking the semen from the donor, mixing it with isotonic saline at body temp (to prevent shock) with the addition of a small ammount of dextrose, and an anti biotic such as gentimyacin, the semen can be carefully mixed with the saline by several gentle inversions of the test tube they are placed in a centrifuge, and allow to spin for several mintues (forgive me I don't have my notes handy at this point for RCF's or RPM's) the sperm will form a pellette at the bottom of the tube, and can be gentley drawn off with a pippette, this whole process can be repeated a second to to insure purity, but this sometimes reduces the fertility of the sperm. The sperm pellette can them be injected directly into the uterus of the host subject using very simple techniques, mostly all that is required are stainless steel dilator probes to open the vervix up, and very narrow 1/16" O.D. renathane or teflon tubeing connected to a syringe to supply the injection. first the syring would get like 1/8ml of the saline/glucose solution then the sperm pellete, so that the whole pellette would get injected.

You can get a professional sperm storage for processing from NASCO science's farm sciences catalog, they have PORCINE (pig), Bovine (cattle), and equine (horse) formulations, the bovine is clossest to human.

And you're repeating this because...? Couldn't you please explain that you are not suggesting an actual mating with a willing human female and a male chimpanzee? That is what's behind the legal ramifications that may get this entire thread shut down and locked away.Because we don't breed them with ourselves. Because intraspecies breeding isn't interspecies breeding. And finally because the result isn't likely to cause as much legal and moral grief as breeding something that might have partial claim to human rights.What do any of these strawmen have to do with breeding other animals with humans? Are you really equating constrained environments with breeding a human / chimpanzee hybrid?

you would use inter-uterine insemination techniques to implant a purified semen pellete into the host uterus. See animal husbandry referances on google. NASCO SCIENCE company's farm and ranch catalog for supplies, etc.

You encapsulated the whole problem with the experiment. Scientifically, it's no different than making a "liger" or a mule, for that matter.

 

The problem is an ethical one and the status of the organism if the experiment succeeds. Is the hybrid a human with all the rights thereto, or a chimp?

 

It is the ethical problems that make the experiment unacceptable.

 

As far as I can see in the article on the Russian scientist, the experiment was never performed. And the Chinese experiments remain that, a rumor.

 

I think some hybrid mammals -- such as the liger -- represent greater genetic differences than between chimps and humans.

 

yourdadonapogos: "When did species membership become a moral characteristic? I guess I missed the memo."

 

The memo is the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States. The "rights" listed in there apply to H. sapiens alone. Therefore there is a moral issue making a hybrid of H. sapiens and another species: is the hybrid a human with all the legal rights enjoyed by other humans or is it an animal without those rights?

Thankyou, you have captured the essence of the experiment perfectly, yes it really is no different than a liger or a mule, or geep blending, actually from what I've read, humans and chimps are closer related than the previously mentioned creations.

Close but not quite, you need to pruify the semen to extract the sperm, and remove the antibodies that would cause a rejection. look up the term SEMEN PROCESSING, it's used into intrauterine insemination techniques.

Humm, maybe I just wanna see how weird, weird can get. Maybe I think I wanna add a little more chaos to human (primate) society, make people take another long hard look at what if anything makes us different than other primates.

Oh BTW the hand crank centrifuge, modified with a power drill actually works pretty well, using a hand held laser tachometer to gauge the speed, it's just cumbersome.

Hummm, this is getting interesting. I am basically lacking a willing human female (although I have had offers from certain fetish forums) a male chimpanzee, and a variable speed centrifuge. I have everything else, and tech. I have a centrifuge, but it's handcrank, and I adapted a RYOBI 18v drill to power it for higher speeds.

There is some information that this may be possible using some simple IVF techniques to remove human or ape antibodies from the semen sample before implantation in the host. There is one chromosome differance between humans and chimpanzees, and has been rumored that this has been achived by Russian scientists, and a Chinese scientist. Anyone else have any info on the subject?