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Your mind is set on not dealing with the problem, you say it is their fault and that's just too bad. Well it is only 1/3 their fault, it is society, physically, and physcologically (obviously I don't know how to spell because in your mind I don't know anything anyway) All I am saying, is watching and trying to help someone addicted to heroin, it is very clear and obvious it is not entirely thier own fault. You are just saying all this stuff because you have been reading and studying it, obviously you have not been there and I am glad you haven't had to experience the nightmare of this. You sound completely unwilling to help anybody. I really care and truly want to help these people that suffer so much and way beyond your comprehension. You study your books and sound like you know everything, I don't think you do.

MishMish said in post #42 :

Fafalone:

 

I think getting away from this fault and blame language would be a good place to start.

 

Understanding why one person gets addicted and not another may be a better focus. Assuming the individual knows going in whether he will or not however does not seem reasonable to me. I doubt anyone goes in hoping or expecting to get addicted.

 

Basically, I figure people are going to make the best choice they can with whatever knowledge, skills or resources they have available. That does not mean their decision will be what I call a positive choice, misery is relative and sometimes all one can do is make a negative choice of choosing the least bad from a set of bad options. Nor does it mean it is going to be a "good" decision. But it is not possible to understand that decision unless you can understand what factors the individual is working with in coming to it.

 

As for ignorance being no excuse, have had more cause to think on that. First, and to reitereate, do not think "excuse" has any place here, though understanding the reasons very well may. I do not hold people responsible for what has not occurred to them. I do evaluate how they respond when given new information or when their assumptions are challenged. That works both ways, might add, if you are challenging my assumptions then I in effect am challenging yours, and I no doubt have information which pertains to my situation that you will be unaware of. Keeping that in mind may allow for a constructive approach to the situation that does not involve simply casting blame

fafalone said in post #43 :

Falling into a use pattern that leads to addiction can be prevented with education, and its up to people to educate themselves about a drug before they use it. If they don't, oh well, that's life. It's not societies responsibility to protect people from their own ignorance; and there's also a very strong case to be made for people letting themselves become addicted at an unconscious level, especially since most addicts are trying to escape daily problems with their lives.

I understand that education is the key to this problem, I wish I had done it earlier. So you are actually saying that's too bad it's their problem and let them just die, and don't even bother to try to help them because it's their own fault. I don't care if it is their fault or not, as a human being I am compelled to try and help no matter what. I will try just one more time, and nothing you say will stop me. I know they are trying to escape daily problems but so do we all, and some people just have more than others and cannot find a way to deal with it. I don't believe people (my daughter) let themselves become addicted. I asked her why in the hell did she do this, she had no answer. Don't you have any compassion for anybody? Have you even tried to help someone overcome their addiction? Have you been addicted? Just what makes you think that you have all the answers, I don't believe you do.....I have been everywhere to try and find an answer and there isn't any.

You are absolutely correct, I am blaming everything but the user, the user being my beautiful blonde daughter, mother of six. I do blame her for taking that first fix, but from what I have read, that is all it takes to become addicted, especially if she has an addictive prsonality, so her being my daughter, am I the mother the one to blame? I am trying desperately to find an answer on how to deal with the pain of loosing my daughter and my grandchildren. Her husband resorted to robbing banks to fund the habbit, he is now in jail for more than a lifetime. Everything I love is gone, and you are right I am trying to place the blame somewhere, it has to start somewhere. I don't believe she would have done this if there where not already a problem. The one remark someone made about leaving the stuff around for anyone to play with, this is true. Parents are punishable by law if they leave a gun around and their children use it. The bar tender can be held liable if the drunk caused an accident and killed someone. So who is leaving the Heroin around for the unfortunate people that misuse it? I agree with the fact that it helps thousands of people who are in pain. If they need it for pain and it helps I am glad they find relief. I myself have had cancer and prescribed Methadone to ease the pain, but when the prescription stopped, I stopped. I have have read that using heroin to ease pain is not the same as being addicted, and when the pain was medically removed so was the Heroin. So you tell me how to let go of someone you love, and let them go on being an addict, because I can't find the answer.

Heroin addicts are the most horrible people to live with and yet they are the ones you love. There is no answer, you can do everything and anything and it still doesn't work. I guess the professionals do have the answer, as painful as it is and impossible as it may be, but it is up to you to do it. I would give anything in the world to help heroin addicts, I would do everything I possibly could, but it still wouldn't be enough. The only solution I could imagine would be another terrible drug to ease the pain of Heroin. What a great big f.....mess this is. Too bad the people to blame for inventing this shit are already dead or we could take revenge on them and try to stop the pain of these poor people addicted to heroin. I would put my dog to sleep if I knew she had to live in this dark, lonely, horrible world you have to live in, I know if you could you would not want to live this way. I love you all, and truly wish I could help in some way.