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11 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

Discussing deep sea turbines driven by heat from the vents etc. seems like topic for a separate thread 

I just note the hydrothermal vents as an example, I do not intend to discuss that potential energy source here or anywhere else.

Having said that I will close this with this

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Strange--

Please forgive me. 

I will never again post in one of your forums

19 minutes ago, studiot said:

Whether you inflate one balloon or 10 balloons at a time, are you going to answer my question as to how much energy it takes per balloon?

That is what I am trying to figure out. I also came up with another way to get the gas to run the system. Thermal vents are under a huge pressure. The pressure is so great that the gases do not bubble out as a gas. If we could pipe that compressed gas upwards the gases would bubble out and this gas could be used to run the system. One small draw back, this gas os over a mile down.

10 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

The multiplying you describe does not exist. Each one ballon that pops up at the surface is replaced by one refilled ballon at the bottom. Every ballon has to be filled.

You need to look at this in time. At any one moment in time, ten (10) balloons are pulling “together” while at any one moment in time you are only filling one (1) ballon. Or a better way to look at this as umbrellas.

8 minutes ago, Ghideon said:

It takes energy to compress 300 cubic feet of air to 18 ATM. When losses are accounted for there will be more power needed to run the system than it will generate.

What needs to be determined or calculated is how much energy it takes to fill one balloon compared to the force generated by the ten (10) balloons pulling together. Just saying its not enough is not enough to discount this idea.

3 minutes ago, swansont said:

It generates no net power. In reality, it will take more energy to run, owing to inefficiencies

It is the combined lifting force of the ten balloons that generates the real power. While it only takes the energy to blow up one balloon at a time to keep the system running. I call this the multiplying effect

On 4/12/2020 at 1:38 PM, Ghideon said:

can you show a calculation of the energy required to run the machine compared to the energy it generates? Intuition says there will be no net power generated.

That is one of the reasons I came here. There are a number of calculations that need to be done before its potential can be determined.

That's why I am here. 

1 minute ago, swansont said:

Blowing up a balloon and letting it rise doesn’t generate power.

It is the combined lifting force of the ten balloons that generates the real power. While it only talks the energy to blow up one balloon at a time to keep the system running.

20 hours ago, J.C.MacSwell said:

Just don't waste your money on a patent without confirming those sources are available, and ascertaining that's the best way to harvest it.

J.C.MacSwell, I am here because I need your input.

fire away

1 hour ago, Ghideon said:

Is that something you intend to answer or is it a question to the forum?

It is a question

1 hour ago, Strange said:

That post appears to be identical to your first post. You have not addressed any of the questions or comments. If you are not interested in discussing this, then the thread will be closed.

I want to discuss the mechanics of the system and whether it could produce useful work. 

The speed of the rising bubbles  needs to be calculated along with other variables

I came here because this is where the brightest of the bright congreate

SeaPower description

Attached is a diagram that details a new energy generating power source using the expanding rise of air underwater as a lifting force.

This is the same principal that keeps a boat afloat.

In the diagram, there is a linear row of balloons. The lower balloon or inverted umbrella; is injected with 300 cubic feet of air compressed to 18 ATM resulting in a volume of 16.66 cubic feet of air.

When the first balloon rises 99 feet (3 ATM) a second balloon attached to the first one is injected with 300 cubic feet of air compressed to 16.66 cubic feet of air.

In the diagram provided this process is repeated having five (5) balloons rising. The upper balloon at 3 ATM has a lifting force of 6.400 pounds

The next balloon at 6 ATM has a lifting force of 3,200 pounds

The next balloon at 9 ATM has a rising force of 2,133 pounds

The next balloon at 12 ATM has a lifting force of 1,600 pounds

The next balloon at 15 ATM has a lifting force of 1,080 pounds

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Total pulling force is a continuous lifting force of 14,413 pounds

Principles to run the machine

 [1] an enclosed container (X) of air submerged in water has a lifting force (Y) equal to the volume of the water displaced minus the weight of the container; [yes] [no]

[2] connection multiple containers one on top of the other creates a combined lifting force of (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)

Which is a greater lifting force than (Y); [yes] [no]

[3] the energy needed to fill one container is equal to the energy needed to sustain the combined lifting force of the 10 (ten) containers referenced above minus the energy needed to keep it running.

; [yes] [no]

 This mechanical process can be converted to electrical output.

If it takes less power to keep the system running than the output created; then this is a positive idea. If not; this is a dead horse with nowhere to go.

See diagram in next post.

Comments pro or con are welcome

SEAPOWER4.pdf

EI INCUMBIT PROBATIO QUI DICIT NON QUI NEGAT

Latin, meaning The burden of the proof lies upon him who affirms not he who denies.

4 minutes ago, Strange said:

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wrong forum-i will try to delete it

SEAPOWER4.pdf

SeaPower description

Attached is a diagram that details a new energy generating power source using the expanding rise of air underwater as a lifting force.

This is the same principal that keeps a boat afloat.

In the diagram, there is a linear row of balloons. The lower balloon or inverted umbrella; is injected with 300 cubic feet of air compressed to 18 ATM resulting in a volume of 16.66 cubic feet of air.

When the first balloon rises 99 feet (3 ATM) a second balloon attached to the first one is injected with 300 cubic feet of air compressed to 16.66 cubic feet of air.

In the diagram provided this process is repeated having five (5) balloons rising. The upper balloon at 3 ATM has a lifting force of 6.400 pounds

The next balloon at 6 ATM has a lifting force of 3,200 pounds

The next balloon at 9 ATM has a rising force of 2,133 pounds

The next balloon at 12 ATM has a lifting force of 1,600 pounds

The next balloon at 15 ATM has a lifting force of 1,080 pounds

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Total pulling force is a continuous lifting force of 14,413 pounds

Principles to run the machine

 [1] an enclosed container (X) of air submerged in water has a lifting force (Y) equal to the volume of the water displaced minus the weight of the container; [yes] [no]

[2] connection multiple containers one on top of the other creates a combined lifting force of (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)+ (Y)

Which is a greater lifting force than (Y); [yes] [no]

[3] the energy needed to fill one container is equal to the energy needed to sustain the combined lifting force of the 10 (ten) containers referenced above minus the energy needed to keep it running.

; [yes] [NO]

SEAPOWER.pdf