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16 hours ago, Endy0816 said:

Probably more relieving chambers. Several of the other chambers were sealed off once too.

We've found some construction info, tools and evidence of design changes, but no Indiana Jones treasure troves.

 

Egypt did have their own crisis which only quieted down a couple years ago. Understandable that work took a bit to resume.

Relieving what  ?    It appears above the Grand Gallery which has built in 'relieving'  itself   .... if it is a chamber and it is above the Grand gallery, then it itself would need another relieving chamber on top of that ... and another  ... and 

Besides , the 'relieving chambers' above the 'King's Chamber' do not 'relieve' pressure from the King's Chamber at all .  Although they got given that name ... for some reason.    

1 hour ago, cladking said:

These are simply the facts;  Dr. Hawass has said he believes the heat is caused by the fact that one of these "stones" is actually a concrete repair.  I'm fully aware this statement is illogical and not consistent with known science to my knowledge.  

Well, this is a science forum, why not use the opportunity to educate yourself about this here ?

That way you might understand what is going on, instead of making highly embarrassing claims ?

1 hour ago, cladking said:

http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/280853/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Void-within-Great-Pyramid-of-Giza-not-a-new-discov.aspx

The fact that an ancient path built before the pyramids leads directly to this point is irrelevant to the fact that these recessed stones back out of the sunlight are in actuality warmer than the surrounding stones in the sunlight. 

Dr Hawass put out a call for Egyptologists to come up with hypotheses for this anomaly when it was found two years ago and to my knowledge NO VIABLE hypotheses have been offered. 

They have, of course. Its just that your knowledge is lacking !

1 hour ago, cladking said:

To my knowledge the scientists believe it reflects a passage behind the anomaly and  heat source of some nature.  It seems obviously to be a link to a heat source.  If the muon detectors were placed in this position looking toward the new void it should provide a third dimension to the shape of the void.  Both views at this time see it from an end.  This is because it apparently lies in the same plane as the queens chamber and main entrance where the detectors were placed.  

So after 1000s of years you are claiming a heat source is still active inside the Great Pyramid ?

1 hour ago, cladking said:

Yes.  I predicted just this anomaly and that it would be readily visible in the infrared.  Apparently this can't be discussed however.  You can see it in the speculation forum's "Soft Science and the Evidence of Your Own Eyes" thread.  

And I suggest you keep it there !  and away from valid Egyptological studies .... or write a novel about it .

I thought it was a joke  ?  ... on  'are we intelligent enough '  .

If its a real question ... I think its better addressed by   its opposite;   are we too stupid ?

In 'stupid theory'  (Stupidynamics    ....     )  ... it states the number of stupid people is always more than we think ... in fact , its always more than we can think .... and that is a rather scary progression as the more you realise the more stupid people there are, there are always more .

What I particularly like in this theory is the definition ; basically there are 4 divisions ;  an intelligent person makes choices and enacts decisions that benefit themselves and others at the same time. A stupid person makes choices and enacts decisions that  do not  benefit themselves and others at the same time.  ( the other divisions are 'bandit, who takes others benefits for themselves, and the victim, who has their benefits taken off them ).

I don't know if we are intelligent   'enough '  .... but I often feel we could do with a whole lot more 'intelligence'  (according to the above definitions )

( Whooops, nearly forgot the link  ;    http://harmful.cat-v.org/people/basic-laws-of-human-stupidity/  ) 

One of the issues is ;  What distinguishes Man from the other animals. Many have said it is because Man has a soul.  But what really distinguishes Man from the other animals ? Clearly it is his toolmaking ability as described above, and the way he uses his imagination.  That's how toolmaking relates to it.  But toolmaking is only an indicator. Soul is the process, the ' need to enact' one's visions. It might work through tool making or any other visionary process that leads to fruition.

A sense of self, for me, does not relate to soul, it relates to spirit.  here is the issue I touched on above.   Previously many considered our constitution to be of 3 parts; Body spirit and soul. A 'sense of self' is usually attributed to Ego or Ego and other dynamics interacting with it.

Great changes occurred in human consciousness, observation and perception - the way we thought about things., from around 1400 - 1600 culminating in the Scientific Revolution. Many things 'became dualistic'  ,even in theology;  in   real : ideal   parings .  The Body : Spirit : Soul triad became  the  Body :   spirit/soul   duality.  Both spirit and soul became merged into an undefined concept. Most modern westerners, when questioned, see little difference between spirit and soul; both 'come from God', leave the body and travel to the after life (wherever  or whatever), can be detectable (supposedly, by others ) and other qualities.

Spirit, is one's particular makeup, what you came here with before any environmental influences moulded you. Your original essential self and propensities , and perhaps even 'skills'.  Since there is no other obvious 'medium of transference'  I suppose it comes in the genetic code ....  ?

The issue then becomes , detecting a persons 'true spirit', their natural propensities ( and their 'souls desires' to find ways to express and fulfil that spirit in action)  and how that can slot into their life's path, work and their place in community.

Some might find this too 'far fetched' but I am sure many of us have seen this in children developing (in my case  twins , which offered interesting observations ) , even in a litter of kittens or puppies, we can see different 'personalities' enacted (and I don't mean the ' runt syndrome' or similar )

Of course, after conception,  we also, have conditions that cause attractions and  repulsions, but that is an extra layer added on top of 'spirit ' . 

This is important for individuals and societies and if these dynamics are not enacted, both individual and society become, at the least, dissatisfied , at the worst , self destructive. We only have to look at pour own society and adolescents , the indicators show decline and problems.

I contend that a person (and a society) that can express their spirit and enact their 'soul visions'  are happy, content, healthy, satisfied, and progressing, while one who doesn't is unsatisfied, unhappy, not content, wants more, and is either static or in decline.  And this 'state of satisfaction' , regardless of culture or location, seems wholly independent to  the acquisition of money goods and power. Many people have seen and wondered about the glow and happy satisfaction many people and societies have, that seem to be poor and have little material wealth , in our view. So what is causing that ?

Does this site have an anthropology forum, or does that come under  'other sciences' ?

6 hours ago, cladking said:

I've been screaming for years to have infrared scanning of the pyramid done (as well as several other tests).  They finally agreed to allow infrared after Jean Paul Houdin agree to do the work for free under the auspices of Dassault Systems beginning the third week of October of 2015.  Early results were startling but they released none of them at all except for mentioning the locations and providing this picture of the east side 160' south of the NE corner where my theory predicted a passage connected to a hot interior.

They found this so impossible that they published it and asked Egyptologists to propose hypotheses for the cause of its existence.  

Unsurprisingly no Egyptologist has a guess yet.  

The muon scanning has been used before as early as the 1960's but modern detectors are more sensitive and the data is more manageable with computers.  There are no viable hypotheses as to the reason this void might be here yet to my knowledge and it fits no existing theory.  There is every indication that science will finally be brought to bear on the nature of the great pyramids.  This will go very fast from this time because modern knowledge and technology has been up to solving this for decades but they would not systemtically apply science.  

So , you are upset and screaming about a different part of the pyramid that is not the subject of this Muon Scan ?

.. Wait ...    the pyramid has a 'hot interior '  ?   And you predicted it ? 

What  ?

3 hours ago, cladking said:

The only crackpot theory I've heard is Zahi Hawass who recently said the anomaly is caused the fact that the this vertical piece near the center of the photo is cement and this is causing the heat. 

Just about everyone else in the world knows this is a passage to an internal heat sink. 

Curiously the Egyptologists are no longer the sole voice in determining what work gets done here.  We should start getting data and answers pretty fast now.

http://www.egyptindependent.com/khufu-pyramid-void-draws-world-attention-egypt-minister/

Every one in the world ?    What's  going on here ?

1 hour ago, swansont said:

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Moderator Note

Let's stick to the topic, please. Regular pottery. Not crackpottery.

 

Oh sorry ... I should have scrolled down first . 

At least you explained what was going on, thanks .    I couldn't make head nor tail of it   !   

(I am new here, I was hoping a science forum might discourage these types from posting their  ......... )

For ease of modern reference, I am going with the  Greek source;    ψυχή (psyche) . 

The 'English root ' seems  obscure and relates to specific past concepts which may not be generally relevant to the 'modern western person'   ;  " The Modern English word "soul", derived from Old English sáwol, sáwel, was first attested in the 8th-century poem Beowulf v. 2820 and in the Vespasian Psalter 77.50. It is cognate with other German and Baltic terms for the same idea, including Gothic saiwala, Old High German sêula, sêla, Old Saxon sêola, Old Low Franconian sêla, sîla, Old Norse sála and Lithuanian siela. Further etymology of the Germanic word is uncertain. The original concept is meant to be 'coming from or belonging to the sea/lake', because of the German belief in souls being born out of and returning to sacred lakes, Old Saxon sêola (soul) compared to Old Saxon sêo (sea0) "  - Wiki .

The modern concept seems indistinguishable from 'spirit' or even 'ghost' .... its definitions describe an association with the body but with an immortal component.  This is hardly satisfactory, even simplistic.  I contend the original word, psyche ( relating to breath, 'wind' , etc )  means something other than 'soul' .

I would like to explore 2 things ;

1. Plato's concept of the three types of soul (as it has become known )

2. A new definition of and description of what soul is .

To start with 1.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato's_tripartite_theory_of_soul

Basically, 'logical, spirited and appetitive ' . I contend this is nothing like the modern concept, bit is very much like the concept of the basic drives of psychology.

Plato also used this classification for 'three types (or modes of) State. In this case the similar energies apply, but more as 'collective drives' .  Now, if we read the myths and ideas about the Goddess Psyche  ( good source here ;    http://www.theoi.com/Ouranios/Psykhe.html    )   it is not to hard to see the dynamic between Psyche and Eros  as  'Ego and Soul "  (and they interchange ) .  And this 'soul' and 'ego' myth demonstrates the interaction of these three forces.  

After many years of study and exploration ,  I have come to understand that soul equates to 'imagination'  , but by the word imagination I might mean a lot more than what is commonly understood. Man's imagination ( and his soul) is what makes him Man , ie, the one distinguishing denominator that separates Man from all the other animals.  I have been chasing what that difference actually is for years, as time and research goes on and more discoveries are made, that definition has changed.  It is still related to 'Man the Toolmaker'  but now we must extend that definition . For me it is the ability to  be able to make a tool, not just 'in the moment ' for the purpose at hand, but for a perceived future usage , more so with a multi use tool ; that ability to 'internally visualise' , 'imagine' a series of future possible events ....  and what events may branch off or lead to others, and make, create have decisive action  and  create objects, tools, technology to help accomplish that purpose. - Imagination.

For me this is the essential quality of the soul;  '.It '   ,   this   'drive' ,  yearns to express itself, it needs creative expression , that is, it 'wants'  the ego to adopt its ideas and put them into physical practice in the material world. That's how it gets its 'feedback' .  A soul that cant express itself gets 'sick' and that can effect the hole 'psyche' (which I see as the sum of all parts of the 'self' ) . A man, it is said, can loose his soul, he becomes dejected and life has little meaning for him.

This is just a brief outline of some ideas. I would also like to explore the idea of 'spirit' in modern and older context .

And expand on the influence of these three forces and other things related to them.  .... in essence ,  they seem present  within the dynamics of many things .  ( Like Goddess Psyche's 3 nasty sisters   )

22 hours ago, cladking said:

There's a massive thermal anomaly on the east side 160' south of the NE corner.  There's plenty that can be done here from using a boroscope to muon detection.  This has been known about for over two years now nd nothing appears to have been done.  

Two years ?   I thought the information had just come out  ?