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I'm not appealing to any authority. Solutrean Hypothesis stands on its own two feet, even if it does require compounding presumptions (as most any prehistorical theorems will)

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"Across Atlantic Ice" postulates one possible concept as far as 'how' the voyage was made but even if we disregard that, it cites a base of technological evidence that is extremely compelling.

SH is clearly an issue that suffers from agenda problems and intellectual dishonesty. If we disregard white supremacists who champion the pro SH side, I think we have to be equally mindful to disregard the vastly larger- and more mainstream- group of people for whom a certain sort of 'racial identity advocacy' is viewed as a high-minded moral issue and against whom SH works. These tend to be the people willing to accept any shallow assertion as disproof of SH. When you look at what evidence these people claim 'debunks' SH, its not decisive and not very compelling (for example, DNA sequencing a Clovis era person- Anzick1- found in Montana, and the absence of traditionally "European allele's")

We can never know for absolute certain whether or not SH is true, but we can look at the evidence and at a minimum, it's certainly compelling. What gets hard to watch are the agenda-driven types who are willing to accept garbage to refute SH, because they don't like what it stands for. If you're going to debunk SH, debunk it with something meritorious.

(Keep in mind I'm using "you" generally, not you = you)

 

OK. Firstly, you have rather misinterpreted what I said. I wasn't trying to go all out ad ignorantiam but rather I was trying to give a reason as to why archaeological finds in the north of North America are less common. There are other reasons too. For example, mainland US is densely populated, but western Canada and Alaska are not and so while it's very normal for some farmer in the continental US to find stone tools in his paddock and call archaeologists, such situation is much less likely in Canada or Alaska. Also, see below the map of archaeological sites in North America older than 8000 years. As you can see, while there's not as many sites in the north-west the distribution of those is quite consistent with migration from Asia.

 

 

Secondly, the solutrean hypothesis is based predominantly on similarity of stone tools found in Clovis, New Mexico with those found in Europe. But if you look at the map, Clovis is not what you can refer to as "east coast", actually it's location again is quite consistent with the general theory of migration from Asia to Alaska and then south-east along the Rockies.

 

 

 

Yet again I have to ask you for some sort of evidence showing that all the oldest archaeological sites are on the east coast. I have read the links you have posted, but nowhere does it say that all of the oldest sites are in the east.

1) You are totally correct in your assertion that due to the nature and density of habitation of the US East compared to the US West, this makes finding paleoindian sites much more likely. This does not, however, explain the reliable difference in lithic technologies associated with specific, time-indicating geologic strata in different geographic regions. When it comes to this particular question, a stone point is not a stone point is not a stone point.

2) Your assertion that Souletrean hypothesis is predicated on a comparison of stone tools associated with "Clovis, New Mexico" is completely incorrect and suggests you don't know much- if anything- about this topic but nevertheless tried to Google-Fake-Knowledge your way through it. The Solutrean Hypothesis supporting tools in question are yielded a) mostly from the Delmarva area and B) from context indicators suggesting timeframes WAY before the Clovis range. While that particular area of lithic technology is named for Clovis, NM (since that's when they were first discovered in the 1920's), Clovis tools have been found everywhere in North America but chiefly associated with the westerly locations and in a timeframe roughly 13,000 BP. That leaves an intervening 5,000-8,000 years for the two to commingle or influence each other (thus explaining why Clovis bears such a striking resemblance to Solutrean technologies)

Whether or not Solutrean Hypothesis is ultimately correct is something historians will have to decide on, but I'm just old enough to remember all the strident and "CASE, CLOSED!" theories that were presented about the extinction of the Neanderthals... how smug and confident various 'academic establishments' were until OOPS! Turns out this weird, new technology called "DNA Sequencing" revealed the presence of Neanderthal DNA in specific groups of human beings, thus shattering everything the 'experts' once claimed. There is pretty compelling stuff for Pre Clovis / "Archaic" peoples in North America who may have not come from Asia and who may or may not have made much- if any- contribution to the larger genetic makeup of present day NA's.

Sorry to necro an old post but for whatever reason, this ranks in Google and there were a few errors that needed to be corrected.