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This thread was started as a "tell me your beliefs"*, and not an invitation to challenge and require that someone defend them. So let's not derail the discussion.

 

*such as:

I believe in the soul... the cock...the pussy... the small of a woman's back... the hangin' curveball... high fiber... good scotch... that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent overrated crap... I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a Constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

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Sorry pal but you don't get to say that my grandpa who was proablu 10 times the man you will ever be was lying when he says he saw the holy fathet

 

No one said he was lying.

 

You need to learn some critical-thinking skills.

 

There are more possibilities than "he was right" or "he was lying".

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So right there are two admitted possibilities that have absolute mountains of evidence and documentation as to their manifestations of images that weren't there, over a large time frame and involving hundreds of thousands of individuals. It's much more rational to suspect one of these two phenomena are at play than it is to suspect a deity manifested itself to your grandfather. That's not saying it's impossible, it's just saying it's much more likely to be something natural.

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So right there are two admitted possibilities that have absolute mountains of evidence and documentation as to their manifestations of images that weren't there, over a large time frame and involving hundreds of thousands of individuals. It's much more rational to suspect one of these two phenomena are at play than it is to suspect a deity manifested itself to your grandfather. That's not saying it's impossible, it's just saying it's much more likely to be something natural.

I feel your logic
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Use this thread to share your personal beliefs so we can build on each other and improve our own theories- Here's mine I am a Catholic and believe in an all powerful all knowing ever present perfect and infinite God I believe that all of existence is a result of Gods actions "thoughts" and words I believe you can go forever in forever out forever up forever down forever right and forever left in anything

 

I believe that the universe is communicating to us continuously.
Institutionalized religion is an attempt at helping us understand the universe, our place in it, etc., etc. In other words, it should be preparing us to understand and adjust to the communications we receive. The risk is that a religion will mistake its approximation for more or less final or best or most significant insight. This imposes a fixed worldview between the individual and the direct communications being received, filtering out the good and beneficial along with the possibly dangerous and overwhelming.
What may have started out well, a good or at least workable approximation, over time can become almost completely out of touch with current issues. Today there is no uniting religion although they each may claim to be it. Nevertheless, the state of affairs requires beliefs that are uniting. They need to appear as self-evident facts.
I (today at least) believe that the underlying reason preventing a uniting religion is twofold.
First, there is a dominating idea, professed or not, that the universe is essentially psychically dead with a few patches of consciousness that somehow sprang up. And even they seem to end with death. So, few people suspect that the forces in the universe are communicating directly to them. Many believers do, but so many do not know what to believe and where to turn.
The growth of science may have unintentionally contributed to the problem, distrusting everything in the psyche as too subjective to be at all reliable.
Second, we each must cling to the bit of truth that we do know. We need to build from there. To do otherwise is to cut off the best in us. But it is a huge task. Thus the conflict as the search for unifying insight goes on.
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Monster? Are you serious?

Yes. Many deities have unusual forms.

 

As an atheist I always felt very uncomfortable with the church of the flying spaghetti monster. The idea is too condencending and I feel that an atheist should be above that.

What if you do believe in His Noodliness?

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