Forces of the Universe and Entropy

[ronians1]

Are the forces of the Universe and the Laws of Physics subject to entrophy?

If not why not?

[beefpatty]

Did you possibly mean entropy?

[ronians1]

Did you possibly mean entropy?

Sorry for the typo - yes, entropy

[swansont]

Entropy is one of the laws, and laws describe what happens to the entities that make up the universe. Laws are not entities unto themselves.

 

Further, one of the concepts in physics is that the laws are the same everywhere. Saying that a law is subject to entropy strongly suggest that it might change over time, or with position. That's a conflict.

[beefpatty]

Entropy is basically a measure of the heat transfer between two systems. In a completely reversible process, one could return all the heat transferred from a system back to its source, and thus the change in entropy would be zero. In reality, though, no process is completely reversible as heat will be lost one way or another, thus causing a net increase in entropy. It doesn't apply to anything outside of this, such as laws or forces.

[ronians1]

Entropy is one of the laws, and laws describe what happens to the entities that make up the universe. Laws are not entities unto themselves.

 

Further, one of the concepts in physics is that the laws are the same everywhere. Saying that a law is subject to entropy strongly suggest that it might change over time, or with position. That's a conflict.

OK that goes for the laws but how about the forces?

 

Could say, gravity be subject to eventual entropy/disorder/decay?

 

Entropy is basically a measure of the heat transfer between two systems. In a completely reversible process, one could return all the heat transferred from a system back to its source, and thus the change in entropy would be zero. In reality, though, no process is completely reversible as heat will be lost one way or another, thus causing a net increase in entropy. It doesn't apply to anything outside of this, such as laws or forces.

But isn't the generally understood wider sense of entropy disorder? Could the forces of the Universe be in the process of losing their potency over time in the smallest, undetectible scale or degree?

 

 

entropy genera

[swansont]

OK that goes for the laws but how about the forces?

 

Could say, gravity be subject to eventual entropy/disorder/decay?

 

But isn't the generally understood wider sense of entropy disorder? Could the forces of the Universe be in the process of losing their potency over time in the smallest, undetectible scale or degree?

 

 

entropy genera

 

Forces are representations of laws, so there's really no distinction.

[Przemyslaw.Gruchala]

 

 

Could say, gravity be subject to eventual entropy/disorder/decay?

 

Since Einstein gravitation is not force.

It's bending of space.

Object is moving straight line, but space is bend therefor it appears to observer outside that it's orbiting.

[beefpatty]

 

But isn't the generally understood wider sense of entropy disorder? Could the forces of the Universe be in the process of losing their potency over time in the smallest, undetectible scale or degree?

 

 

You have to be careful with the distinction between the meaning of "disorder" in thermodynamic processes and the meaning in everyday language. "Disorder" in thermodynamics is a measure of how close a system is to some equilibrium energy. Entropy tells us that the energy of a system will tend toward this equilibrium. The closer to equilibrium, the higher the amount of disorder.