Is there a hidden layer in the universe ?

[nameta9]

The concept is not as abstract as it may seem. Science is developed in a loop of continuous interactions from Reality to the Sense organs(hand, eye) to the Mind and back again from Mind to Sense organ(hand) to Reality as this diagram Reality ®, Senses(S) and Mind(M) shows:

 

R -> S -> M

R <- S <- M

 

Up until now M has always been fixed, but changing M everything changes. In this sense there would be a new and different science. We can imagine also wildly changing S by the way.

 

An interesting thing is that we can imagine there being an intermediate "invisible" layer called a "Presentation" layer that presents the information from the previous layer in a completely different form and format:

 

R -> S -> P -> M

R <- S <- P -> M

 

For example reality R could actually be a solid box of some unknow matter and we just poke at it with some sticks, but the presentation layer hides this and we could never discover this.

We wouldn't notice because it is transparent but it could be there.

 

Even more interesting is if this layer is at some

other point of the diagram:

 

R -> P -> S -> M

R <- P <- S -> M

 

In this case you could have for example that reality is a giant simulation in a computer of an unkown alien having completely different physics and the P layer hides this fact from us (we would be in a simulation aka Matrix..) or it could always be a box of some unknown matter and we just poke at it.

The presentation layer hides this and we could never discover this.

 

In the next diagram we could interpret it as saying everything is only in our mind (or we live in a dream) and there is no external reality at all there

being a layer P that fools us:

 

P -> S -> M

P <- S -> M

 

The point is that I can't imagine anyway of discovering this hidden layer!

 

We have some concrete cases where there are almost invisible layers (but that can be discovered):

 

1) when we digest food it is almost invisible

 

2) Some of us can live comfortably in part because there is a layer of workers somewhere in the world who work almost for free (or in the past worked);

we don't notice but we use their goods

 

We are "buffered" from Reality, so extrapolating this to the universe the question becomes interesting...

 

Any comments ?

[Sorcerer]

Up until now M has always been fixed, but changing M everything changes. In this sense there would be a new and different science. We can imagine also wildly changing S by the way.

 

As in the case of schizophrenia, M is changed. Let me ask you, if you were blind would that mean that colours don't exist? It would be terribly hard to measure something like colour through experiment if you were a blind person, maybe you could describe varying frequencies of light through the sound they make..... or radiation by how much it burns your skin...... perhaps the example would be better with a deaf person trying to show sound exists. Perhaps we are hidden from things, however:

 

The point is that I can't imagine anyway of discovering this hidden layer!

 

If it has no effect on us, then why bother about its existence. Isn't that which cannot effect said to be non-existant - is this the separation between true non-existence and objective non-existence. You see this is why I don't beleive god exists.... others tell me he exists because they have experienced him, it seems objectively he doesn't exist, does this still leave a possibilty for his existence?