DevilSolution Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 beyond good is evil, good and evil dont scale in linear terms they are a circular concept, the evil only ever showed you the good. it wasnt very cryptic so i guess it must be nonsense indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted June 5, 2011 Share Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) DevilSolution, But why do you think linear is lie. And cakes don't have to be circular, though they often are. But still, back to the linear, if you have opposition, or if the evil shows you the good, there is a metaphorical "place" where evil is, that is different than the metaphorical "place" where good is. You get to the one, by leaving the other behind. Although they thusly each define the other, there still is a linear trip one can make conceptually between the two. As such, "beyond" good in my mind requires that you have made the trip from evil to good and are going in the direction of "even better". You seem to be saying that "even better" winds you back up at "worse". This makes no sense to me in a metaphoric mapping type of way. I don't understand your internal metaphoric geometry. That is why I asked for your direction, and axis. I am fully prepared to accept a spherical or acending/decending spiral geometry. Whatever you have. I'm thinking you are being more cryptic than nonsensical. But still would like your explanation. Regards, TAR2 Edited June 5, 2011 by tar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanabe Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 There is only love, and less love, there is no opposite of love, so says Rhonda Byrne. When talking of such subjective things this may be the best approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 wanabe, Perhaps, but although subjective, there are many things people have in common with each other, that allows us, I think, to take an objective view of ourselves, by looking at our similarities to others. Not scientific perhaps, but still effective, I think. Certainly one has to allow a wide range of differences, in terms of the other's experiences, knowledge, personality, goals, rules, will, principles and values, but I do believe we have a tremendous amount in common with each other. If you have an insight about yourself, it is wrong to apply it automatically to everybody. But I do not believe there is anything wrong with keeping your eye out for where it might apply. Regards, TAR2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GateOfRain Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 The opposite of love is void. Love has all but the one thing that it craves and void is nothing but one thing, and that is void. Void is very dangerous though. Don't hurt yourself while experimenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajb Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 For the opposite of love you should ask an ex-girlfriend of mine. What she did must qualify as the opposite of love. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realitycheck Posted August 27, 2011 Share Posted August 27, 2011 Hate is not necessarily evil, but is quite opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GateOfRain Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Hate is not necessarily evil, but is quite opposite. Only by the book. If they really where opposite then you can't feel both at the same time. With one hate and 2 love you'd simply weind up in loving the person. But you still do both. Lest you flex which you don't. What is your counter argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realitycheck Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Speak for yourself. I try not to hate much of anything. Everything happens for a reason. Understanding something can easily supercede hating it, doesn't have to include condoning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teorisyen Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 (edited) "The opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. The opposite of art is not ugliness, it's indifference. The opposite of faith is not heresy, it's indifference. And the opposite of life is not death, it's indifference." ~ Elie Wiesel quotes If we draw a line from minus infinity to plus infinity; indifference will be at 0 for all condition, indifference is opposite of nothing Edited September 23, 2011 by Teorisyen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lab_supplies Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 I think it is the opposite because with love you care so much that you can't let anything that troubles the people you love go without trying to solve that problem. With indifference anything can happen and you won't care, won't even think of the person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appolinaria Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 It depends on how you define love. Love isn't a measurable thing, it's up to your own perception. Maybe to some love is passion, nurturing and intense feelings... therefore, indifference would be the opposite of love. Often times immense hatred comes from being denied/rejected, or from secretly being jealous of someone out of admiration... which is not indifference. So I don't see hatred as being the opposite of love, I think it actually stems from the same place. That's how I see it at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinW Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Why wouldn't the opposite of love be the lack there of. In my way of thinking the opposite of 1 is -1, not 0. I also consider the same with hate or any other feeling that can't be measured on numerical scale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted October 17, 2011 Share Posted October 17, 2011 Vole Oh, no, sorry, that's an anagram, not an antonym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionposter Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 (edited) There's different types of love though too. One is sex, and another is consciously being with someone or cnsciously wanting someone else to be happy. Both the loves and hate are desire. Hate is the desire to hurt or express anger, so the opposite of both love AND hate is indifference because if your indifferent you have no desire, and if you have no desire you can't love or hate. Edited October 18, 2011 by questionposter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardreed Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 True Love (no conditions) has no opposite because it is all encompassing. Although, fear creates barriers to our full awareness... Love and blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 does love "encompass" fear as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionposter Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 True Love (no conditions) has no opposite because it is all encompassing. Although, fear creates barriers to our full awareness... Love and blessings I don't know what you mean by "all encompassing", but love is a form of desire, and the opposite of desire is indifference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Love might be desire, but also friendship, and concern, and devotion and attention, and so forth. I am still liking my definition which takes a lot of the aspects of love, used in many contexts into account. Love is when you include another entity in your feeling of self. If this definition where to be accepted by anybody (other than me), then the opposite of love would be NOT including an entity in your feeling of self. This would look a lot like indifference in some cases, but one could still care some about another entity, without including it in your feeling of self. But then again, if you could take it or leave it, then it isn't really something you consider part of you, and your feeling of self, so indifference would not be a bad way to describe your feelings toward it. But that leaves some room for "liking" something but not considering it part of your feeling of self. In that regard, like would be something inbetween indifference and love, which would put "dislike" on the other side of indifference, and by extension, hatred even farther on the other side. So the correlary to my definition of love would be something like "Hatred is when you exclude another entity from your feeling of self." So all in all, I would have to say that the opposite of love, is hate. Regards, TAR2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionposter Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Love might be desire, but also friendship, and concern, and devotion and attention, and so forth. I am still liking my definition which takes a lot of the aspects of love, used in many contexts into account. Love is when you include another entity in your feeling of self. If this definition where to be accepted by anybody (other than me), then the opposite of love would be NOT including an entity in your feeling of self. This would look a lot like indifference in some cases, but one could still care some about another entity, without including it in your feeling of self. But then again, if you could take it or leave it, then it isn't really something you consider part of you, and your feeling of self, so indifference would not be a bad way to describe your feelings toward it. But that leaves some room for "liking" something but not considering it part of your feeling of self. In that regard, like would be something inbetween indifference and love, which would put "dislike" on the other side of indifference, and by extension, hatred even farther on the other side. So the correlary to my definition of love would be something like "Hatred is when you exclude another entity from your feeling of self." So all in all, I would have to say that the opposite of love, is hate. Regards, TAR2 Even with friendship and devotion, it is still the desire to make someone happy or be there for someone. With hate, it is the desire to hurt someone or express anger towards someone. The opposite of these is indifference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 questionposter, Even with friendship and devotion, it is still the desire to make someone happy or be there for someone. With hate, it is the desire to hurt someone or express anger towards someone. The opposite of these is indifference. Well yes. But if both love and hate are the opposite of indifference, you can think of indifference as no compulsion to go one way or the other. This puts indifference in the "no drive", no action, no movement camp. It would be the opposite of any human emotion. One could not use it as the opposite of just any one emotion. What we are after is the opposite of love in particular. So if you take all the actions, and drives and forces and purposes that you associate with love, and consider the opposite actions and drives and forces and purposes...you wind up with hate. If you go one way or the other, and the way you go is love, then the other way is hate. If you go the hate route, then the other way is love. Indifference may be the opposite of love in that with indifference you don't do anything and with love you are doing something. But if you are considering love a way to go, the opposite way would be hate. Regards, TAR2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fractalres Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 When found unapproachable, oxytocin stimuli induce envy and gloating rather than trust and kindness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immortal Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 I must say Love somehow originates from hatred. If you're truly in love with an entity you would love to see it in your arms not in someone else's arms, you would hate to see that. If you start hating something which you truly loved then it wasn't true in the first place. So if we stress on the word "true love" then hate cannot be the opposite of it, it has to be indifference where you no longer feel the difference between the entity being in your arms and the same entity in someone else's arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tar Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 (edited) immortal, But try it from my definition's perspective. Love is when you include another entity in your feeling of self. When someone (an entity you included in your feeling of self) is in another's arms you tend to feel very bad about it. Partially because your consideration of this person being part of you, is evidently or possibly incorrect. You might feel some hatred toward the person for stepping away from you. Or hatred toward the person whose arms they are in, for taking a peice of you away. In anycase, what you considered part of you, is now...not so much. You very well may not feel "indifferent" about this. Quite the opposite...it matters to you very much. Just can't do much about it. Hurting the person that you would rather was part of you, is useless. Hurting the person whose arms they are in, is illegal and you have no interest in spending time in jail AND being without that part of you you are losing. So you are in a bind. Win them back? Maybe, but now you have this thing that tells you that it is not so safe or sure that you can again include this person in you feeling of self. There is now some evidence that they do not feel the same about you. Makes it hard to consider this entity a part of you. More likely this person is not easily included in your feeling of self. Unrequited love. Don't know exactly what emotion to attribute when you include another person in your feeling of self, and the situation is not recipricated. Maybe it is still love. It's just not a workable situation. Regards, TAR2 You are in the lurch. You have had your "heart" cut out. A part of you is missing. You need some time to feel whole again. Find something else to fill the gap. To feel "yourself" again. Edited November 26, 2011 by tar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immortal Posted November 26, 2011 Share Posted November 26, 2011 immortal, But try it from my definition's perspective. Love is when you include another entity in your feeling of self. When someone (an entity you included in your feeling of self) is in another's arms you tend to feel very bad about it. Partially because your consideration of this person being part of you, is evidently or possibly incorrect. The problem where I see with your definition of love is that Love happens, its not something which you try to make it happen or can be excluded and included at your will. William Shakespeare: Sonnet 116 Let me not to the marriage of true minds Admit impediments. Love is not love Which alters when it alteration finds, Or bends with the remover to remove: O no! it is an ever-fixed mark That looks on tempests and is never shaken; It is the star to every wandering bark, Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken. Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks Within his bending sickle's compass come: Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks, But bears it out even to the edge of doom. If this be error and upon me proved, I never writ, nor no man ever loved. To me to say that hate is the opposite of true love would mean to completely change the semantics of true love and then making it as its antonym. We can say the opposite of short is tall because the context is same in both, i.e height. When we say the opposite of love is hate the context doesn't match, i.e "TRUE". True love never dies, so the opposite of it must be indifference, a feeling which never began or existed in the first place. Maybe it is still love. It's just not a workable situation. Regards, TAR2 exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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