jackson33 Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 CP; So you don't misunderstand anything I'm saying, a child working should be the decision of the parent, at the request of the child. To carry this forward, it's none of any Government's business, State, Federal or otherwise. There's plenty of time to develop work ethics. It can wait 2 more years. Having social institutions doesn't turn an entire population into wussies. In the age of 14-16, young people can learn a lot more by not being employed in mind-numbing jobs... you seem to forget that at the age of 14-16, kids have no diploma, no chance for an educated job. They'll be doing physically demanding jobs, because at that age, that's all they're good for. They cannot develop complicated things like creativity if they sit in school, then go to tire themselves to earn a little money, and then making a trade-off between a social life and sleep. [/Quote] Not all kids mature in the same way, some frankly never do, at least with the desire to be self fulfilling or independent (opposed to dependent). Then to deny a child who might want to earn money or might enjoy the feeling of accomplishment, could be in time detrimental to those work ethics. I'm not talking about the proverbial child labor camps, some feel Capitalist go overseas to promote, which is nonsense to begin with, but American kids and I'm sure in the UK or Europe, that are given the opportunity to do menial, non demanding work, would want to. Rather than sitting behind some computer playing games or watching TV 6 hours per day, many times becoming obese and setting up future bad habits, don't you think taking on some summer job or daily obligation (delivering papers) would be more practical. You seem to forget the importance of material gain to people. If you do not limit the amount of time that children can work, then adults will somehow find a way to make children work a lot more. Also, a 14 year old will often think short-term: they prefer material gain (an iPhone) over a good education. You have to protect them against themselves and the adults. You must protect the children against short term thinking. [/Quote] No, if a child is given an iPhone or anything that is a real luxury there is no responsibility involved and expectation will go further up the road. If they earn the money for that iPhone, there apt to be proud of that and the psychological development involved immeasurable. Actually, I don't really understand you Americans... You already accept that you work much more than Europeans (less holiday, longer working weeks). You accept that you have practically no rights as an employee, and that you can be fired on the spot for no good reason (the so called at-will principle - unheard of in Europe). You accept that you have no healthcare, and you're proud of it. American education is very expensive and receives little state sponsoring, and you say that's good - compared to European education which is practically for free. And now you support child labor, and claim it's healthy for the development of children?? [/Quote] Really another topic, but those that do work longer hours, take less vacations and advance, general have more material wealth than others. What about the employer and most our people are paid by one person directly or indirectly, doesn't that person also have rights as to who works, for whatever reason. Everyone can receive healthcare and over 60% have Private Insurance with a Company that is interested in keeping you on their rolls. You can't be serious if you think any Government Bureaucracy is concerned with your interest over that Government (which changes often) and especially when those person are not accountable to anyone, can't be fired and that can't be fired in Government in the US either. Your last sentence, yes reliance on yourself, IMO trumps dependency anytime... It's quite difficult to discuss the economy with you guys, because I feel quite an alien (a morally superior alien, too)...[/Quote] We come from two different generations (in this case), cultures and traditions, not to mention the extremely different demographics. However for what it's worth, I've always enjoyed discussion with folks from outside the US. I can at least understand our differences, but it's very hard for me to understand why some American's, feel the way they do about their own Country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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