silverwind Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 can we break hydrogen into proton and electron by electrolysis?i dont care if it'd again become h2 at electrodes again.can we break it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted October 24, 2010 Share Posted October 24, 2010 not by electrolysis no. you can do so by ionization though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydasaint Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 If the OP's line of thinking is pointing towards water powered cars, I'm afraid that these are still mythical. However, Honda appear to produce a fuel cell powered car that needs hydrogen and oxygen to combine, producing electricity. The car then runs on the electricity and produces water as a 'waste' product. For an explanation, see here: Water Powered Car - First Hydrogen Car by HondaPosted by Admin Published in Water Powered Car The 1st commercial water powered car (power by Hydrogen) is here! Honda has begun the first commercial production of a zero-emission, hydrogen fuel-cell powered vehicle. Honda FCX Clarity is a four-seated hydrogen vehicle that runs on electricity produced by combining hydrogen with oxygen, and emits water vapour. Good News: This car is 3 times fuel efficient as compare to the petrol-powered car. Bad News: Honda plans to produce 200 of the cars over the next three years. It will be hard for you to see it on the road or even own it! Fuel Cell Power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemur Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Doesn't it get "broken" by combining into H2O or other compounds? You want a proton with an electron hole? I think that is called ionization, but what is the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmydasaint Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I thought it was an allusion to Meyer's 'water powered' cars? Maybe I'm wrong.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemur Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I thought it was an allusion to Meyer's 'water powered' cars? Maybe I'm wrong.... Where did people ever get the idea that water was a source of energy instead of electrolyzed hydrogen being a energy-storage medium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverwind Posted October 25, 2010 Author Share Posted October 25, 2010 would a neutron fuse with a free proton and an electron to get deutrium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 would a neutron fuse with a free proton and an electron to get deutrium? Yes, it can. The electron is a bystander in this reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverwind Posted October 25, 2010 Author Share Posted October 25, 2010 (edited) Yes, it can. The electron is a bystander in this reaction. well,what is a bystander?sorry,if the question is silly,im a newbie. Edited October 25, 2010 by silverwind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 well,what is a bystander?sorry,if the question is silly,im a newbie. The fusion of a proton and a neutron involves the strong nuclear interaction, and the electron doesn't interact this way. It's not (directly) involved in this reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverwind Posted October 25, 2010 Author Share Posted October 25, 2010 so,does this mean that we can create deuterium by ionizing hydrogen and firing neutrons at it so that neutrons will combine with now free protons to make a 2H nucleus,which by gaining an electron can give us deutrium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Yes. You don't need to ionize the hydrogen first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Foot Tapper Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Where did people ever get the idea that water was a source of energy instead of electrolyzed hydrogen being a energy-storage medium? Some people will believe anything they see on TV or read in the 'papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemur Posted October 26, 2010 Share Posted October 26, 2010 Some people will believe anything they see on TV or read in the 'papers. Plus there's a deeper psychology to it, imo: People with access to elite levels of economic resources like to believe in the fantasy of abundant energy because it justifies their high levels of consumption. If they think about energy being a non-renewable resource, they feel guilty for consuming such high levels of it while other people go without. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest192473-justkidding Posted November 23, 2010 Share Posted November 23, 2010 Plus there's a deeper psychology to it, imo: People with access to elite levels of economic resources like to believe in the fantasy of abundant energy because it justifies their high levels of consumption. If they think about energy being a non-renewable resource, they feel guilty for consuming such high levels of it while other people go without. oo thats deep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroman Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Hi i am new to this site but i have a science fair project due in a little while and i have a short budget so what would be the best electrodes to use for electrolysis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Skeptic Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Hi i am new to this site but i have a science fair project due in a little while and i have a short budget so what would be the best electrodes to use for electrolysis Well scientists like to use platinum for that, but you can use some big steel nails. They'll probably corrode, but not as quickly as the copper wire, and should last long enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroman Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 (edited) could i use graphite i have heard alot about that Edited December 30, 2010 by heroman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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