Guest DrBelfrey Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 I would just like to state that the concept of Infinity does not actually exist, it is merely a device fabricated by the mind's inability to grasp the size of the universe. Everything is finite even Pi and the Universe. We havent found the end yet because our computers are made to think in terms of infinity. Time is a similar device, simply another device made by man to aid in the understanding of the 4 dimensions respectively.... Furthermore , the human race is one of pompous beings, how could anyone of us have the gall to truly believe that we are infact at the top of the genetic roster?! Please respond with any words that you would like, we are having trouble.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Wait a minute... You aren't a real doctor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulkit Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 I like to associate the concept of infinity with maths. It is a concept of mathematics. Maths is an abstartct subject, nothing in maths acctualy "exsists" . You don't really talk of exsistance of "two" or "three" do you ? Hence how can you talk of "exsistance" of infinity ?These are all abstractions of the mind, which we develop / have developed to understand the natural world. Infinity is a property/ a characteristic, you can't talk of its "exsistance". We merely tend to put certain things under the set that contains elements satisfying this property. You could go on and on arguing that pi is finite, but it is no good unless you can fabricate a profof for it. I can't see how computers come into the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeschylus Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Rubbish Dr.Belfrey: 1) you're being irrelevant by talking about whether infinity is real 2) If you mean pi isn't irrational you are very much mistaken and should be pummeled. Pi has been proven to be irrational, this is nothing to do with coputers calculating the nth digit of pi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 he`s making the mistake of confusing the "conceptual" with the "Actual" or real. pretty darn poor for a "Dr." ! I have no problem of seeing infinity as the biggest number possible + 1 (or even times itself if you want to be really sick, LOL). what`s "pompus" about that? it`s a Concept/Idea nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulkit Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 As I do not feel good talking of a biggest number possible, I tend to think of [MATH]\infty[/MATH] as the characteristic of a variable or a function to get greater than any number you can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 yup, that works just fine too. I only worded mine that way for simplicity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuhrerkeebs Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Furthermore[/i'] , the human race is one of pompous beings, how could anyone of us have the gall to truly believe that we are infact at the top of the genetic roster?! Please respond with any words that you would like, we are having trouble.. Well, we have the intellect and physical features to invent and produce guns, TV, cars, spaceships, etc...Unless, I see a dog commit a drive-by shooting, we have the better genes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psi20 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Furthermore ' date=' the human race is one of pompous beings, how could anyone of us have the gall to truly believe that we are infact at the top of the genetic roster?! Please respond with any words that you would like, we are having trouble..[/quote'] I agree on that point at least. How does one determine they are on top of the genetic roster? You find animals of amazing feats like flying birds, fish that swim, and that's nothing. We are all living different lifestyles right now, but who can judge who's lifestyle is the best? Just because you're the top scientist in the entire world doesn't mean you're superior to the kindergarten students who are picking their noses and playing on the swingset right now. Just because you have a mansion, a new car every year, 7 super-computers, and $50 million dollars doesn't mean you're superior to anyone else. The same applies to here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severian Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 So if infinity doesn't exist, how many decimal places do you need to write doen [math]\pi[/math]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolecularMan14 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 I would just like to state that the concept of Infinity does not actually exist' date=' it is merely a device fabricated by the mind's inability to grasp the size of the universe. Everything is finite even Pi and the Universe. We havent found the end yet because our computers are made to think in terms of infinity. Time is a similar device, simply another device made by man to aid in the understanding of the 4 dimensions respectively....[i']Furthermore[/i] , the human race is one of pompous beings, how could anyone of us have the gall to truly believe that we are infact at the top of the genetic roster?! Please respond with any words that you would like, we are having trouble.. im sorry but is there another pompous being??? Do u consider lammas pontifical? The universe may not be infinite, but mathmatics sure is...numbers just keep going my friend. There is no HIGHEST number, you can just add another decimal place, or integer...IT NEVER ENDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbin Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 I think that infinity do exist, just think about it, there is always things bigger and more massive than the next. If you think otherwise, pray give me a example of infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 I would just like to state that the concept of Infinity does not actually exist' date=' it is merely a device fabricated by the mind's inability to grasp the size of the universe. Everything is finite even Pi and the Universe. We havent found the end yet because our computers are made to think in terms of infinity. Time is a similar device, simply another device made by man to aid in the understanding of the 4 dimensions respectively....[i']Furthermore[/i] , the human race is one of pompous beings, how could anyone of us have the gall to truly believe that we are infact at the top of the genetic roster?! Please respond with any words that you would like, we are having trouble.. hate to be mean, but thats the most retardulous thing i have ever heard, including the word "retardulous". how can their be no such thing as "infinity"? you want something infinite? the number of digits in the largest number possible. give me any number and i can add on another digit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Well, how can you have the number of digits in "the largest number possible"? you can't have the largest number in a numerical sense because I can always add 1 to it and shove it back at you. Hence, we can't say infinity is a specific number - we can only use it in a conceptual context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt grime Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I would just like to state that the concept of Infinity does not actually exist' date=' it is merely a device fabricated by the mind's inability to grasp the size of the universe. Everything is finite even Pi and the Universe. We havent found the end yet because our computers are made to think in terms of infinity. Time is a similar device, simply another device made by man to aid in the understanding of the 4 dimensions respectively....[i']Furthermore[/i] , the human race is one of pompous beings, how could anyone of us have the gall to truly believe that we are infact at the top of the genetic roster?! Please respond with any words that you would like, we are having trouble.. with no infinity, everything must be finite, in particular the set of natural numbers is finite, hence there must be a largest one. what is it mr troll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 if I`m not mistaken "Infinity" works at the other end too. but the amount something may be divided, and so from there everything is actualy relative C and Aleph Null I think it`s called and has something to do with Cantors Continuem (I could be wrong though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandrakeRoot Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Dont you mean the proof that the set of real numbers is actually bigger than that of natural numbers. Meaning there are different "degrees" of infinity, i.e., Both sets are infinite, but one is actually bigger then the other. The size of the natural numbers, its cardinal is called [math]\aleph_0[/math] and the cardinal of the real numbers is [math]\mathfrak{C}[/math]. Mandrake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 some things are infinite, whilsts others are finite. infinite things do exist. pi, the universe, are so vast they are considered infinite, however something infinity is beyond the human mind. to a human, everything has a start / end. its a human thing. it is hard for the human mind to actually imagine something which just goes on forever, which is where our "Dr" seems to have gone wrong. infinty does exist, think of a recurring number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 10 divided by 3 equals? please feel free to tell me when the 3`s after the decimal point stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 *confused* i just said that, "infinty does exist, think of a recurring number" 5614 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 no wonder you`re confused, I wasn`t addressing you, I was backing up your arg with an example Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 oh ok, yes infinity rocks and is well real 5614 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MandrakeRoot Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Though you can represent recurring numbers with only a finite number of them I dont think this DrBelfrey could write down pi with only a finite number of decimals, though following his arguments he should be able to . I think it is more hard to find an example of infinity without referring to numbers/math constructions though ? Any idea ? Mandrake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulkit Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I think it is more hard to find an example of infinity without referring to numbers/math constructions though ? Any idea ? Time needed for a capacitor to fully discharge across a resistance R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 good one! if I rem correctly, is`t something like 66% per second, forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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