Lance Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 I am attempting to build a working Battery-free flashlight flash light. It would be powered by coils around a pen tube with a rod magnet inside. When you shake the tube the magnet goes up and down reversing polarity inducing a charge in the coils. The only problem is I can’t seem to get more than 0.9 volts out of the thing. I need at LEAST 3 volts. Not to mention that the current output is pitiful. The coils I wound are PERFECT. The layers are on top of each other with no overlaps. There are somewhere between 500 and 1500 turns. I can’t even begin to guess how many. So does anybody have any ideas? I have attached a schematic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callipygous Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 i have never heard of anyone doing it that way, are you sure its even possible with that method? the only battery-free flashlight i have seen is one that has a handle similar to a brake on a bicycle that you squeeze over and over to turrn a gear. inside it gears it up and uses a generator that powers the bulb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamLord Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Hey, I have a flashlight like that. I have to shake it, and I hear the little thing moving up and down. That's cool to build one (I paid 5 bucks for mine). The way you described it sounds exactly like how mine works, so... Sounds good to me. Good luck with building it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbp6 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 I'd think some way to make it easier to shake would be your easiest bet. Cause the more you shake it the more volts you get right? Why don't you try like a shaker mill set up with a handle. It might actually work out kinda nicely for you. Though Calli probably has the best suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 your idea is perfectly sound in its principal! but you lose .7 ov a volt with every diode you pass a voltage through, use a single germanium diode instead or a boron diode is even better (only .2 of a volt loss). you could consider putting a spring at either end of your tube also, it`ll assist in a smother shake action, with less mechanical loss. try and see if you can get a NIB magnet that`ll fit also, they`re much stronger! nice work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drz Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 could you use a white led? I have a small pocket sized led flash light that runs off a watch battery. I know led's require very little voltage in comparison to your standard bulbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted August 25, 2004 Author Share Posted August 25, 2004 Well the voltage is about the same if not higher... But they draw a lot less current. This thing wouldn’t be able to supply enough current for an incandescent bulb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 could you ghetto rig something like an egg timer to it to move the magnet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drz Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 ahh ya, I knew something was lower, been a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 use diodes as suggested by yt in post #5 scrap the resistor, you dont need to protectect the LED from such little voltage use LED not a filament bulb. reduce wire size & use low resistance wire. more coils, stronger magnet, bigger magnet... springs [i read it somewhere here] everything, you need every .1V you can get reduce the amount of diodes used... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 use diodes as suggested by yt in post #5 scrap the resistor' date=' you dont need to protectect the LED from such little voltage use LED not a filament bulb. reduce wire size & use low resistance wire. more coils, stronger magnet, bigger magnet... springs [i read it somewhere here'] everything, you need every .1V you can get reduce the amount of diodes used... Erm... did you look at the schematic? 'D' is a LED. A LED is simply a diode. Without the resistor the cap would completely discharge through the LED in a fraction of a second. You can’t both reduce the diameter of a wire AND lower is resistance. Adding coils adds resistance. I’m using a Neodymium magnet (can’t get stronger than that) Reducing the full wave rectifier to half-wave will lower efficiency. Edit: Doh... Just noticed I named my bridge 'D' too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 oops, forgot bout the capacitor, fine, but the higher the resistor the more voltage you lose, which is bad [obviously] when i said reduce wire size [badly worded, soz] i meant cut down on uneeded wire, i.e. make it shorter... you could also make it fatter, maybe cool it down [edging towards a super-conductor] use low resistance wire, in an experiment i did once, i can't remember the figures, but they were really drastic, it makes you want to use low res. wires in a simple torch or sumin, it makes a big difference. the more coils you have the better, the "coil benefit Vs. coil resistance" ratio is such that you dont need to worry about too many coils [to an extent] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 what capacitor are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 I have not gotten to a high enough voltage to actually bother testing the circuit. But anyway it wouldn’t really matter. Bigger is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drz Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Just a question, but could you not make several shakers? Like say, maybe 4 shakers all kinda built together, about the size of a can of spray paint? Then wire the 4 outputs together, and boom, 4 times the power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 well, assuming they were all the same size as the original coil/magnet, you have got 4 times the amount of power yes... although if you start making them smaller again to fit in the can, there is a lack of power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted September 4, 2004 Author Share Posted September 4, 2004 Also... say you have two different coils, if the two magnets are in opposite positions one will generate say -1v and the other +1v. The overall output would be 0v. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 um, i cant say to be certain, but i would have thought that they cancel each other out, resulting in 0V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodhound Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 wh dont use a circular magnet and rotate it to create the EMF. a single spin will last longer than a single shake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 well the original post said that it would be a rod magnet, so he could rotate it, but with the kind of sizes he was talking about, it would be better to shake the magnet than rotate it because the shaking produces more movement than rotating it, so more current will be produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted September 5, 2004 Author Share Posted September 5, 2004 um, i cant say to be certain, but i would have thought that they cancel each other out, resulting in 0V The overall output would be 0v. Thats what I said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 oops, sorry i read the original post wrong, i thought it was a question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgerlica Posted September 5, 2004 Share Posted September 5, 2004 Merry Christmas Lance, there are more where this came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted September 6, 2004 Share Posted September 6, 2004 big enough? i once saw a 1F capacitor, but i couldnt think what do use if for.... what can you use massive things like that for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted September 6, 2004 Author Share Posted September 6, 2004 The cap your thinking of was rated at 3-12v. Those things are rated at 400-500v. The largest cap in his picture is 300J while a 1F cap rated at 12v is only 72J. A 5.5V cap would be just over 15J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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