Soulja Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Chapter One: Creation and Destruction, Time and God What is real? That has been a question asked by many before and never answered. Before we get to this question, let us look at the definition of real which is “Existing objectively in the world regardless of subjectivity or conventions of thought or language.” Before we get into what is real and what is not real, where do we get the idea of real? The mind created the idea. So, did the idea of real ‘exist’ before the mind created it? The definition of exist is To have actual being; be real. So something cannot exist unless it is real. The definition of create is To cause to exist; bring into being. So creation causes to exist, and to exist something must be real. This proves the idea of ‘real’ had to of existed before the mind created it. But if it did exist before the mind created it, when was the idea of ‘real’ created. So what is exactly is an idea then? An idea is according to Kant: a concept of reason that is being beyond the limits of experience and hence unknowable but not relying on or derived from observation or experiment. So can an idea be created? An idea exists, but does everything that exists have to be created? If perhaps everything that exists must be created, than the idea of ‘creation’ must be created. The idea of creation could not be created because creation could not have existent before it was created. Therefore, this proves the idea of creation cannot be created if time is real and ideas are real. This does not prove that ideas cannot be created. So ideas can be created if ideas are real and time is real, can ideas be destroyed? A definition of destroy is To put an end to the existence. If ideas are real they must exist as the first word in its definition of real proves. If time is real, and ideas are real, then creation would create destruction (which would be real, because all created things are real). Destruction could then destroy creation. Then, if destruction existed and creation did not exist, nothing could be created, and there would be the potential of everything being destroyed which would create nothing. Then there would be creation out of destruction. But creation was put out of existence, by destruction, and now it is back. Destruction is the only thing that creates creation and creation is the only thing that creates destruction. The cycle has to have a start. Now if “God” is the only uncreated being (in the God theory) this means that God would have to be both CREATION and DESTRUCTION. If God is both of these, and ideas and time are real, then this is the only logical explanation. What about God? The definition of God is a being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe. If God does exist, he created everything other than himself. In the theory of God, God cannot destroy himself, and the only things that God cannot create are objects that he cannot control (for example God cannot create a stone that God cannot move). So if God created the universe, are we real or not? If God created the universe, then it is real, because all created things are existent so they are real. If this is true then time must be real, because without time, nothing can exist. Note that all created things are real, but to be real things do not have to be created. So if time is real and God is not real, time is not created. If God is real then God is not created and time was created by God (because God has no equals). If God is real and time is not real, then our universe does not exist. Assume that the human race’s bodies are real. This means that if they exist, if the human race dies out, and all dead bodies decay, in 100 years would it be a true statement to say “No human bodies exist now as in there form 100 years ago”. It would only be a true statement if time is real. Which means anything that is real, can be destroyed only if time is real. What if time is not real? If time is not real, then creation and destruction would not exist because nothing could be destroyed which would mean creation could not be created. If time is not real, nothing can be real, because creation and destruction would never exist. But if time exists, it would have always had to exist. God could not create time, because time would have to be present for the cycle of creation and destruction to exist. So my theory is that God is time also. God is time, and the cycle of creation and destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulja Posted January 7, 2003 Author Share Posted January 7, 2003 By The Way, Its a different chapter than on the other post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Seems like a house of cards to me, but not that far away from ideas of the universe as being a sentient organism that have a certain appeal. You realise that your entire theory hinges on the dictionary definitions of two words from a single language? Perhaps if the language was designed rather than evolved then the possibility of such logical traps might have been averted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 So, this is all based on the fact that dictionaries are often circular in thier definitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kether Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 [quote I just erased from my computer your post. "You never existed at all" God is just a word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Well, that was pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kether Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Well, that was pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Uh-huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Right then. Any chance of a small summary of that post for the lazy ones amongst us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Right then. Any chance of a small summary of that post for the lazy ones amongst us? Basically hes saying that God is time and the cycle of creation and destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Basically hes saying that God is time and the cycle of creation and destruction. Goodo. I'll let this thread be now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Why bother even trying to bother about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 What does "goodo" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'n Refsmmat Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 It means "typo". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Wait this dosnt make sense? "If time is not real, then creation and destruction would not exist because nothing could be destroyed which would mean creation could not be created." The writer said before.... "Now if “God” is the only uncreated being (in the God theory) this means that God would have to be both CREATION and DESTRUCTION." So then creation would never have been created, creation would have always existed becuase God is the only uncreated being and God is creation and destruction.So then he made a mistake because he said "creation could not be created". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kether Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Wait this dosnt make sense? "If time is not real' date=' then creation and destruction would not exist because nothing could be destroyed which would mean creation could not be created." The writer said before.... "Now if “God” is the only uncreated being (in the God theory) this means that God would have to be both CREATION and DESTRUCTION." So then creation would never have been created, creation would have always existed becuase God is the only uncreated being and God [u']is[/u] creation and destruction.So then he made a mistake because he said "creation could not be created". Sounds "Androgynous" In his/her own image Both creation and destruction. Ringing any bells..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesseract Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Sounds "Androgynous" In his/her own image Both creation and destruction. Ringing any bells..... I am confused by what your trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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