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Is the United States truly effective anymore?


Gavroche

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The Founders of the US wrote in the Constitution their goals as being:

"To form a more perfect Union"

"To establish justice"

"To insure domestic tranquility"

"To provide for the common defense"

"To promote the general welfare"

"To secure the blessings of liberty"

 

Are these things being done?

 

Establish justice? How well is that done, when innocent men are convicted and guilty men let free?

 

Common defense? Invading other countries and making foreigners hate us and promise to make America into a "sea of fire" sure seems like a good way to do that, don't you think?

 

Promote the general welfare? There are millions of Americans without homes, jobs, money, or educations. Sure, some help is going to them, but definately not enough.

 

To insure domestic tranquility? This one is the kicker. Dividing our country over insane issues sure seems like a good way to have domestic tranquility, doesn't it?

 

Aside from those all, does the will of the people truly matter anymore? We vote people into office, and then they make decisions that are harmful to us, and for their own interests. The American government is cracking. It doesn't go by the ideals it was set up upon, and doesn't reflect the desire of the people.

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Gavroche said in post # :

hah. no. Ever read the US Constitution, monkey?

 

The US constitution is a really liberal document. It's superb.

 

Oh, and 'the will of the people' is pretty irrelevent, given that for all intents and purposes, people believe what they're told to.

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We do the best we can. It's a lot better then it used to be. The world isn't perfect, you aren't, no one is, why should the goverment have to be? No question it's the best goverment in the world though.

We have to invade some countries, there are countries with corupt leaders and they have to be stopped. Remember what happened when we didn't get involved at the first sign of trouble? Hitler is one example. Millions died, millions were scared for life, all because of him, all becasue we didn't get involved. But some people are selfish and they want to just stay where we are and not help poeple. It is our moral obligation to help these people.

It's no great special thing that people argue about issues. Before goverments people had arguments. Besides it the only way we can decide what we are going to do. Maybe if we had a dictatorship and no freedom we could do what you want, but that will never happen.

All you arguements in post #1 conflict.

Establish justice? How well is that done, when innocent men are convicted and guilty men let free?

These two clearly conflict. How could we not argue about issues and then still decide? Only if everyone always agreed. Maybe in your on little world.

 

Do you think they do that on purpose? Of course on people trying their best.

 

To insure domestic tranquility? This one is the kicker. Dividing our country over insane issues sure seems like a good way to have domestic tranquility, doesn't it?
Aside from those all, does the will of the people truly matter anymore? We vote people into office, and then they make decisions that are harmful to us, and for their own interests. The American government is cracking. It doesn't go by the ideals it was set up upon, and doesn't reflect the desire of the people.

Here's another contradiction. How can we decide what to do without arguing a little? Maybe if everyone agreed or maybe just in your little world where everything works out perfectly. But this is the real world now, we all grown up and things can't work perfectly.

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-Demosthenes- said in post # :

Maybe in your on little world.

 

in your little world where everything works out perfectly.

 

don`t get too fond of those words chum! there`s absolutely NO NEED to patronise anyone, least of all coming from you!

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Why, old chap, it means the bounders can ignore your witticisms on the grounds that you mentioned the Hun. What what, eh?

 

Poor show, old bean. Not keeping your end up, letting Jonnie Foreigner in on our elucidating discussion. Damn poor show.

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