MolotovCocktail Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Alright, I'll admit that I didn't check the "Representative Press" throughly. But here is an article, by New York Times, that gives support for my claim. Forty years ago' date=' the Central Intelligence Agency, under President John F. Kennedy, conducted its own regime change in Baghdad, carried out in collaboration with Saddam Hussein. .........In 1968, after yet another coup, the Baathist general Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr seized control, bringing to the threshold of power his kinsman, Saddam Hussein. Again, this coup, amid more factional violence, came with C.I.A. backing. [/Quote'] link: http://readthese.blogspot.com/2003_12_15_readthese_archive.html and here is where it came from, but you need a subscription to see it http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://gk.nytimes.com/mem/gatekeeper.html&OQ=_rQ3D1Q26URIQ3DhttpQ3AQ2FQ2Fwww.nytimes.comQ2F2003Q2F03Q2F14Q2FopinionQ2F14MORR.htmlQ26OQ51Q3D_rQ513D2Q5126exQ51251048222800Q5126enQ5125D3164Q5126orefQ513DsloginQ26OPQ3D646c493cQ512FAnQ515EgA6hGPEhhQ512AHAHFFqAFqAa0AhtQ5123BQ5123hBAa0Q512FLQ517BQ517B(Q5122Q512AY)&OP=4b0c24Q2F9DQ2Bo9mQ5EQ22Q2BQ5DQ3Cv9jQ22UQ5DQ24Q24mQ3A9Q24(3Q22Q2BjQ22Q2BQ3C9,Q5DQ22Q2B.Q2BQ2BQ24Q2B(njQ22U Oh, and by the way, so what if my handle is named after a weapon? It was created by the Finnish by the way. They named it a Molotov Cocktail because if you read the article carefully, it was intended as a wartime "sarcasm", so to speak, when the Soviets claimed to the world that they were sending food supplies when in reality they were dropping bombs. When Molotov claimed in radio broadcasts that the Soviet Union was not dropping bombs but rather delivering food to the starving Finns' date=' the Finns started to call the air bombs Molotov bread baskets.[2'] Soon they responded by attacking advancing tanks with “Molotov cocktails.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangloss Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 That is not a news story. That is an opinion piece, and it was written by a man who worked under two Democratic presidents and who is an outspoken critic of the Bush administration and the Iraq War. But I will grant that you have successfully dug yourself out of Area 51-land and back into the realm of respectability. Respectability Morris has. Objectivity he does not. He provides no evidence or substantiation for his claim. He was not working in the White House during the time in question, coming to the game years later in time. So little was thought of his claim that it apparently didn't even make the news. I expect you to amend your statement accordingly. I have no problem with your opinion. What I have a problem with is people passing off opinions as facts. This is a science forum, not DemocraticUnderground.com. Please allow us to hold a higher standard here. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolotovCocktail Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Yes, but those opinions are based somewhat on declassified documents directly from the CIA and on facts. Look particularly at the one in which they talk about relationship between the Soviet Union and the Middle East. Some other ones are heavily blocked out. Your right, I may not be able to claim it as a fact, but they were still directly involved in the Baath Party's rise to power. These and other documents lead me to believe that there is a good chance that they did put Saddam in power. Its important to note that the CIA still has documents that are still classified around this period of time, so its impossible to know for sure what happened. But rest assured there is strong evidence that the US did put Saddam in power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangloss Posted June 3, 2007 Share Posted June 3, 2007 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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