Mokele Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 I'm pretty sure the United States has suffered worse "affronts" to the character of the republic; we can endure shutting out transvestites from prom. So it's OK to discriminate against minorities so long as they're unpopular? Great, thanks for clearing that up! I'm gonna go do some lynchin, yehaw! The invisible hand of fashion, closely related to the invisible hand that decides that women and men should have separate bathrooms and the invisible hand responsible for penis and vagina having entirely different definitions. Fashion changes; Women would never have buzzed heads 20 years ago, now I know 5 who do (and, incidentally, all look really hot with buzzed heads). On the other hand, there's a far greater mass of scholar athletes who just don't have the time or inclination to put up with some attention whore's shallow eccentricities. So if they don't care, why cause problems by barring the individual? Because they play a useful and fulfilling role in society. Why would you want to get rid of them? Who, discriminatory assholes? Sorry, nope, the only useful role they'll ever play is when they're turned into nice, crisp Soylent Green. Mokele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 On the other hand, there's a far greater mass of scholar athletes who just don't have the time or inclination to put up with some attention whore's shallow eccentricities. you can't just casually fob this off as a shalow attention-grab. maybe he wasn't given enough attention as a kid and seeks to gain it now. maybe he genuinely feels intolerably unconfortable in the role of a man. I dont see any reason to favour the former hypothesis over the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Okkram's razor is neither an appeal to emotion nor to concequence of belief; rather, it is a practicality. The student claims his wearing a dress is the result of his sexuality -- a claim that the principle has seemingly acknowledged in his statement. You introduced the new idea that his wearing a dress is an attention-grab. Burden of proof for this idea rests with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Does anyone really care if a guy in a dress gets shut out of prom? I mean c'mon, it's a guy in a dress. In Germany, they first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then, they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew … Then they came for the Catholics. I didn't speak up then because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up. – Reverend Martin Niemoller, German Lutheran pastor arrested by the Gestapo in 1937. When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent. When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun. Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet. – Lyle Myhr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevermore Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 hmm... i wonder wether a woman turning up in a suit would have the same problems? That's happened, but I can't find the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_p Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 That's happened, but I can't find the article. In the '60's, when women's dress pants and mini-skirts were both very new and outrageous, a well-known socialite went to lunch at a very haute New York restaurant in a pant-suit. She was refused admittance in the suit but was allowed in in just the jacket [as a mini-skirted dress]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokele Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 So, wait, let me get this straight: In order to be 'acceptable', she had to take her pants off? Part of me likes where that could lead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 29, 2006 Author Share Posted May 29, 2006 That's happened, but I can't find the article. I remember at my prom a school board member was outraged that the band played, "Back in the USSR." He thought we were being turned into commies I guess. It's not surprising that narrow mind sets crop up from time to time in these annual rituals held nationwide. There is bound to be a class between the young and the old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt grime Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 You might consider stumbling over a few more blocks of reasoning before lunging straight for the strawman. For example, you might consider that the argument considers popularity in context with group identity and other factors before justifying discrimination, or that it asserts a popularity threshold. After all, why not discriminate against National Socialists or Latin Kings? They're minority groups. Quite simple really: you'd have to be a total moron not to understand the distinction between freedom of expression (to prefer to wear clothing that is refered to as feminine) and a desire to supress other people's rights (to breathe, in some cases). Unless that is you are somehow likening the support of wish of a man to wear a dress to to supporting someone who denies that several million people of many cultures, creeds, sexual preferences etc were slaughtered for their beliefs and a wish to promote racial hatred. Because he's an eyesore and the decent folk needn't put up with his antics. You appear to be confusing 'decent foks' with kneejerk tossers who shouldn't be allowed to procreate or vote. An eyesore? Why, because he wore a dress? I rather hope I don't live in your country whereby it is necessary to consider that offensive in order to be considered decent. Ok, you might not be able to empathize, but no one is asking you to do so. But that does not preclude you from understanding and accepting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesuBungle Posted May 29, 2006 Share Posted May 29, 2006 Guess what ladies' date=' he's single! http://search.americansingles.com/r/rev/revprez/[/quote'] hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyncod Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 I'm sorry, but this is all kind of funny. Prom is a "tradition," now? If so, I've gotta say that the prom that I went to 6 years ago had many things that would be much more offensive to the 'decent folks' than a man in a dress. As for me, high school students that would spend over $1000 on a dance (and there were many of those) I consider far more offensive than frilly clothes on a man. Stretch Hummers are in keeping with the 'tradition' but a formal dress is not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mokele Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 Yes, it's all about the tradition of mindless middle-class materialism and obsession with making sure their kids never have anything less than perfect memories of their childhood. I never even went to prom. Total waste of time and money. Plus I refuse to wear a tux for anything less than my wedding. Mokele Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecoli Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 Yes' date=' it's all about the tradition of mindless middle-class materialism and obsession with making sure their kids never have anything less than perfect memories of their childhood. I never even went to prom. Total waste of time and money. Plus I refuse to wear a tux for anything less than my wedding. Mokele[/quote'] I went to my prom, but I only spent about 100 bucks. I refused to go in a limo, and I got a tux with coat tails, so that was pretty cool. The prom itself was pretty bad... bad food, bad music. The only good thing about it was the company, but that was pretty much just me hanging out with my friends. For most people, the prom was just a prequel to getting completely wasted at a house party afterwards, which is totally not my scene anyway. ... Although I did enjoy one particularly story about this guy I don't like who got drunk and made out with a guy. that was funny because I got to make fun of him about it afterwards. Other then that, prom wasn't very interesting. edit: 3000 posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 30, 2006 Author Share Posted May 30, 2006 edit: 3000 posts! Congrats Ecoli!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted May 30, 2006 Author Share Posted May 30, 2006 Yes' date=' it's all about the tradition of mindless middle-class materialism and obsession with making sure their kids never have anything less than perfect memories of their childhood. I never even went to prom. Total waste of time and money. Plus I refuse to wear a tux for anything less than my wedding. Mokele[/quote'] Not always. I came from lower middle class, at best, and have a great memory of my prom. It's just a party outside of school to help seniors bring closure to high school. It's no big dealio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecoli Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 Not always. I came from lower middle class, at best, and have a great memory of my prom. It's just a party outside of school to help seniors bring closure to high school. It's no big dealio. Most high school kids don't see it that way, though. People go crazy, especially in richer neighborhoods. Congrats Ecoli!! thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyncod Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Yeah, I mean, you're from Long-geyeland . You're the step above Westchester, which was the step above across the bridge from Westchester (where I'm from). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecoli Posted May 31, 2006 Share Posted May 31, 2006 Yeah, I mean, you're from Long-geyeland . You're the step above Westchester, which was the step above across the bridge from Westchester (where I'm from). You may make fun... but that's actually how I pronounce it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Perfect Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 out of curiosity is there any males and pants-females and dresses rule for a prom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 has anyone thought about this dress wearing persons Date at all? and what They would have to suffer as ridicule also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesuBungle Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 has anyone thought about this dress wearing persons Date at all? and what They would have to suffer as ridicule also? That's crossed my mind but I didn't want to say anything. I have a verbal warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 3, 2006 Author Share Posted June 3, 2006 That's crossed my mind but I didn't want to say anything. I have a verbal warning. Kevin had been in drag all year long. If someone dated him, it was by choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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