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It has been done. There is a common word for it, bestiality, and a more polite one, zoophilia.

 

For the perverted who want evidence, google "ape bestiality".

 

For sub-texts in popular fiction, consider planet of the apes, tarzan and King Kong. The lowest dregs of the porn industry exploit it.

 

I await a thread on the subject "bestiality...Is it normal human behaviour, like homosexuality?", and a battle royal between cruelty to animals activists and the "everything is O.K. between consenting animals". perverts.

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Ethically speaking, not my cup of tea, but I suppose if both parties were consensual, and had in fact the capacity to consent, or perhaps if neither part had legal capacity, for example if the human was mentally challenged or insane. What is the age of consent amongst other members of the great apes? Perhaps a future question for the Great Ape project. My guess is that most of the Great Apes know this is just plain wrong, except maybe those Bonobos. I'm told they're like a bunch of wild animals.

 

http://www.greatapeproject.org/

http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.paniscus.net/immag/HS_B03.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.paniscus.net/immag1.htm&h=425&w=640&sz=31&tbnid=M595KG58n5oJ:&tbnh=89&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbonobo%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D&start=3&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=3

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However, two different species cannot create a fertile offspring.

 

There are several definitions used for species, so it depends on which one you are using, but that's not exactly right. It's true that if two populations can't produce fertile offspring they are different species, but that's a very different statement.

 

What is needed is reproductive isolation, so that they do not normally interbreed, but if they do, you can get fertile offspring. There are some notable examples: wolves, coyotes and dogs. Mules, ligers, tigons, etc. are often infertile, but not always.

 

 

one reference

 

examples of hybrids

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There are several definitions used for species' date=' so it depends on which one you are using, but that's not exactly right. It's true that if two populations can't produce fertile offspring they are different species, but that's a very different statement.

 

What is needed is reproductive isolation, so that they do not normally interbreed, but if they do, you can get fertile offspring. There are some notable examples: wolves, coyotes and dogs. Mules, ligers, tigons, etc. are often infertile, but not always.

 

 

one reference

 

examples of hybrids

Oh, interesting. I didn't know they could. Thanks for the update.

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How can you say that the first human was a different species than their parents, and who did they breed with after that? Did it have to be a sibling or a cousin? Why? Other species or subspecies maybe? Why not? Ironically, creationists have the very same dilema. Where did Cain's wife come from?
Well, that's not really how it works.There was no "first human" because the evolutionary change would have been occuring slowly and gradually across the interbreeding populations. The interconnected organisms evolved together in a manner of speaking. Unless you've been reading too many Greg Bear novels, no creature jumps species in a single generation. A single trait miight pop up in one individual, but not enough to call it a new species, and if succesful that trait will spread through the population. Over time more and more of these traits might slowly build up and together show a notable difference from tha ancestral organisms being compared, often enough infuriatingly slowly. And because it's the population that's evolving, there is no need to interbreed or hybridize.
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