# Time dilation explained with laser range finder

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4 hours ago, jv1 said:

Thanks again

when dilation factor K is infinity
the body can not dilate (getting more big)
at speed of light Lorentz factor is infinity

that means that ripple if met with a obstacle (particle/ proton)
at speed of light
it can not expand (dilate )
the next ripple piles up and the next

the electromagnetic waves do not have mass but they carry the moment.
and a lots of little moments act like a bigger mass
and they will push back

at bigger bodies bigger the push back

That is what theory of relativity is showing
the best part it does not know that yet

No matter how hard I try nothing you've shown makes sense. I can't find anything that even correlates to physics in this last post.

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Mordred

what I am saying is not main stream
I am not reinventing the physics
I do not have to do any calculation - all data needed is done and available easily/

I apologize for my wording

velocity and distance in period of one second

Can be compared with power and energy

Or like mass flow per one second and mass

I say there is no time dilation time is point there is nothing to dilate.

when I say waves are dilating I meant this

Light has frequency of 400 THz

That is wave length of 2x10^-14

every oscillation will create circular ripple (bubble)

and every bubble will have dilation- it will increase in size within time.

there is going to be be bubble inside the bubble ….

dilating at the same rate - following lorentz transformation law.

at speed close or  at speed c

the outer bubble will hit obstacles (particle)

and it will stop dilating (k factor infinity or Lorentz factor ) will be infinity.

the rest of the bubbles are still dilating and collecting up in front of  the particle  .

these are for example gravitational  ripples/

compressed   bubbles (waves) do not

have mass but they carry the momentum.

and they will push back.

the gravitational waves have wave length

in range of 10^16

that is a lots of  momentum  to push back.

The waves have dilation not time.

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When you try to describe physics in a non mainstream manner that is the equivalent of reinventing physics. In the last example above gravity waves do not behave in the manner you described and neither does its related mathematics

You tried redescribing time with your math and ended up with incorrect equations that don't match observational evidence.

Relativity is one of the most rigorously tested theories in physics with precision in all its predictions. Instead of trying to develop your own mathematics and conjecture. You would be far better off learning the mainstream physics and formulas instead of trying to invent your own.

GR is such a successful theory that it predicted the possibility of gravity waves Long before ever measuring one. The mathematics was so convincing that governments invested millions of dollars on huge gravity wave detectors (LIGO) with only the possibility of detection. They also knew it was limited in the gravity wave frequencies but it's polarity isn't dipolar as the EM field but quardupolar.  That required a different design of detector. The L shape of LIGO. Once again predicted by its mathematics.

We have measured time dilation countless times far to many to name all the tests and every time the mathematics of SR/GR give the correct answers to match what is observed.

So I seriously ask you with all GR's incredible successes. Why wouldn't someone take the time to understand it and its mathematics to understand why it's so incredibly accurate instead of trying to come up with their ideas.

An expression you may be familiar with " If it isn't broke, don't fix it". Another expression that applies. " You can't fix something if you don't understand how it was built."

For example think about the fundamental purpose of gravity theories. It is to explain why objects move in spacetime the way they do. That is one the primary reasons velocity is used in its  equations.  It is also why using the Interval for time is convenient as we can now apply vectors in the same manner as the motion of particles.

Every formula in physics always derives from other well established formulas. They form the basis of their mathematical proofs. In GR all the main formulas has Newtons laws of inertia as part of their mathematical proof. Including $$E^2=(pc^2)+(m_o c^2)^2$$.

This is why it's so incredibly successful. It derived from known physics primarily kinematics.

So instead of trying fix something that works incredibly well. Your time would be far better spent learning how and why it's so successful.  As a side note in order to ever get a paper peer reviewed approved. You would need to prove you understand and can use those mainstream formulas that apply to any new theory.

So if you ever want a good working theory you will need a good working knowledge of the mainstream physics. Its not guess work or sudden Eureka moments its painstaking work starting with known formulas.

Let's take another GR equation proper time

$\Delta \tau =\int \sqrt{1- \frac{1}{c^2} \left ( \left (\frac{dx}{dt}\right)^2+ \left(\frac{dy}{dt}\right)^2+ \left (\frac{dz}{dt}\right)^2\right )}dt$

one wouldn't think Newtons laws of inertia is involved in the above unless one studies the kinematics of the four momentum, four velocity. Every equation applies other known equations.....

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Mordred

what I am saying is not main stream
I am not reinventing the physics
I do not have to do any calculation - all data needed is done and available easily/

I apologize for my wording

velocity and distance in period of one second

Can be compared with power and energy

Or like mass flow per one second and mass

I say there is no time dilation time is point there is nothing to dilate.

when I say waves are dilating I meant this

Light has frequency of 400 THz

That is wave length of 2x10^-14

every oscillation will create circular ripple (bubble)

and every bubble will have dilation- it will increase in size within time.

there is going to be be bubble inside the bubble ….

dilating at the same rate - following lorentz transformation law.

at speed close or  at speed c

the outer bubble will hit obstacles (particle)

and it will stop dilating (k factor infinity or Lorentz factor ) will be infinity.

the rest of the bubbles are still dilating and collecting up in front of  the particle  .

these are for example gravitational  ripples/

compressed   bubbles (waves) do not

have mass but they carry the momentum.

and they will push back.

the gravitational waves have wave length

in range of 10^16

that is a lots of  momentum  to push back.

The waves have dilation not time.

I would like to thank you all for allowing me to share this idea with you.
This has been crush corse of how to get from laser range finder to there is no time dilation in a very short time .
Here is final step:

Part1
Frame of reference:
The sphere with radius r=c(speed of light)
Time 1 second
Speed c=distance c=acceleration c

Part 2
In the center of reference frame light bulb is positioned .
Light bulb has a 2 cm diameter .
The light switch will be pressed for duration of 4x10^-9 seconds.

The light signal created will be hollow sphere wiht diameter of 2 cm and thickness of 4x10^-14m

This is the original shape and it has
Dilation coefficient  k=1
The speed is v=0

In one second time the same light circle will dilate and reach maximum
Thickness is unchanged .
The dilation factor K=infinity
The light propagate by Lotentz transformations .
The coefficient of Lotentz transformation is
Gama =1 at 0 speed
Gama =infinity at speed light.
We can say that light dilation is described by K=gama

The light wave is real phenomenon.
It happens in real time
This works for all waves including gravity.

Part 3

Proton at the edge of frame reference goes to center
The time dilation calculated by theory of relativity confirmed that time dilation change happs according to Lotentz factor gama.
Time is imaginary term .
It is point which can not dilate

Part 4
Conclusion:
Based on above , dilation of signal was seen as time dilation .
This is overlook
Tx

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There is so many mistakes in everything you have posted that everything you have in this thread is literally useless.

Obviously your not heeding anyone's advise so have fun with that.  I prefer dealing with those that wish to learn so I'm out.

Good luck

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23 minutes ago, jv1 said:

Light has frequency of 400 THz

That is wave length of 2x10^-14

No, that’s not correct. The speed of light is the product of these two, and it’s not 8 m/s.

400 THz is 750 nm

”time is a point” suggests that it has a single value, which is not the case, but time dilation is an effect on an oscillation frequency. Time is the integral of that frequency (i.e. you count the ticks of a clock to give you the elapsed time)

Any claim you make must be somehow testable. How does one test your conjecture?

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23 hours ago, exchemist said:

Yup. A very familiar timewasting technique, I think.

It reminds me of one of "sovereign citizen" videos where they show up in court, ignore everything the judge says, and just keep repeating the same phrases from their "script" over and over again.

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Here is very simple way to explain this

in original experiment with flash light

And train cars

the flashlight was switched on.

than when signal came back from the mirror it was switched of.

the light went out not as beam it went out as a hollow sphere.

When this hollow sphere hit the mirror

Part of it was deflected and came back to flash light.

to make a experiment for time dilation

From set up above - proton is observer

Lightbulb

Mirror  is positioned at the 3x10e8 perpendicular from the direction proton Center.

Time flash light is on ,as per original experiment will be 2 s

We will end up with two reference frames of 1 sec.

The time is imaginary term.

it describes what is going on.

the phenomena  in nature changed in this time.

Just a quick example

Radar mapping screen show what is in front of aircraft .

to the details .

the signal is sent in front of aircraft and time is measured for signal to come back .

from time sequence we mapped the real terrain surphace

mid we go west we take in consideration

the difference in speed (aircraft to ground )

which is different from east bound flight.

Did time dilate ?

yes

did the dilation of time affect how the ground looks like ?

no

it described it

if we think that changing the parameters on map will change the surface of the earth - no

The prospective how surface looks like from diferent angle is changing -

Or if the speed is changing - perspective is changing

but the real surface is not changing.

curvature of space  is happening with or without of time dilation

time dilation records the dilation of curvature

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Moderator Note

OK, we’re done. Feel free to ask questions to clear up your misconceptions about relativity, but your caricature of it is not what the theory says.

Don’t re-introduce your…musings…on the subject

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