sanjibseo Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Everybody should respect their religion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 3 hours ago, sanjibseo said: Everybody should respect their religion Respect has to be earned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exchemist Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 5 hours ago, sanjibseo said: Everybody should respect their religion Well obviously. It's other people's religions where the problems can start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermack Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 6 hours ago, sanjibseo said: Everybody should respect their religion Especially the ones that kill people for showing disrespect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 I'd invert your logic, for better effect: Every religion should respect everybody. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 14 minutes ago, joigus said: I'd invert your logic, for better effect: Every religion should respect everybody. Religion's do, it's people that don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Religion's do, it's people that don't. What is religion without people? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 30 minutes ago, dimreepr said: Religion's do, it's people that don't. That's demonstrably false, but makes a snappy sound byte. Most religions place their deity at the top, and then rank all the pious in order of worthiness, with church leaders high on the totem pole, church patrons below them, regular church members below them, members of false religions are further down, atheists are down there too, and everyone else in the world they don't like somewhere below that. Why should anyone respect a hierarchy that judges them disrespectfully, that doesn't take their humanity into account but instead berates them for it, using humanity as a synonym for "flawed" and "weak" and "sinful"? 8 hours ago, sanjibseo said: Everybody should respect their religion Or lack thereof. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 8 hours ago, sanjibseo said: Everybody should respect their religion No. Everybody should be skeptical toward their religion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 8 hours ago, sanjibseo said: Everybody should respect their religion No. I’ll do what I want. Keep your childish fairy tales to yourself you deluded fool. lol. Too over the top? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, iNow said: No. I’ll do what I want. Keep your childish fairy tales to yourself you deluded fool. lol. Too over the top? Maybe a tad, but the opening post is a tad naive as well. It's like saying "Everybody should respect their parents", until you hear about parents that should be put in jail for what they've done to their children. Respect? I'm with Genady, it should be earned, not expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joigus Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, iNow said: lol. Too over the top? I suppose it depends on where you put the top. Also, I haven't heard the particular fairy tales we're talking about. Usually, fairy tales put me to sleep, something I'm in sore need of lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterkin Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 8 hours ago, sanjibseo said: Everybody should respect their religion Why? What is gained from respecting a concept without taking into consideration the methods of its practice? What is lost by disrespecting or even despising some or all of the tenets, rituals and mythos of a religion? How does a religion become "their" religion? Did they invent it? Did they choose it? Did they inherit it? Was it forced on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) On 12/20/2022 at 3:11 PM, Phi for All said: Why should anyone respect a hierarchy that judges them disrespectfully, that doesn't take their humanity into account but instead berates them for it, using humanity as a synonym for "flawed" and "weak" and "sinful"? Careful, my mortal friend, with words, what about "aliens" i.e. extraterrestrial life forms, living or not i.e. artificial.. BTW, aren't people flawed, weak and sinful? (including the "hierarchy that judges" especially, since they have access to $$$ to a much greater extent than the common human). In capitalist countries, since the beginning, children are taught about the "value of money" and that everything revolves around money all the time.. Child: "Why we can't do this or that?!" Parents: "We have no money".. (It's "funny" that if someone has "money", they rarely spend it wisely..) Their further sins are the result of teaching them that money rules the world (at least in capitalist countries).. Edited December 27, 2022 by Sensei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Sensei said: aren't people flawed, weak and sinful? I don't think so. 2 hours ago, Sensei said: children are taught about the "value of money" and that everything revolves around money all the time Children are taught many things, but that is what they learn. 2 hours ago, Sensei said: the result of teaching them that money rules the world (at least in capitalist countries) In non-capitalist countries they are not explicitly taught this - but this is what they learn anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Sensei said: In capitalist countries, since the beginning, children are taught about the "value of money" and that everything revolves around money all the time. I think we're curently in the capitalism end game, by which I mean, children are not taught about value at all; they are bombarded by made up dream's, which is avaliable to everyone and if you can't afford it now, we have a plan 😉... 1 hour ago, Genady said: Children are taught many things, but that is what they learn. In non-capitalist countries they are not explicitly taught this - but this is what they learn anyway If only we had a PhD student to investigate the value of money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterkin Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Genady said: In non-capitalist countries they are not explicitly taught this - but this is what they learn anyway Which countries are those? And how did they slip the noose of global capital? Or are they something other than capitalist in name only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Peterkin said: Which countries are those? I'm talking about the old USSR. We were taught that there the money rules, but not here. However, everyone got the idea that it does anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterkin Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Genady said: I'm talking about the old USSR. So: in name only. Not only did the ruble not fade away, but its market value continued to be set against the US $ (hard currency, at that time) and people who didn't have enough rubles didn't get bread, while the commissars were importing patisserie and emmenthal. Edited December 27, 2022 by Peterkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Peterkin said: So: in name only. Not only did the ruble not fade away, but its market value continued to be set against the US $ (hard currency, at that time) and people who didn't have enough rubles didn't get bread, while the commissars were importing patisserie and emmenthal. Exactly. This was the reality and people learned from it. My point is that it doesn't matter very much what one is taught, by parents, teachers, leaders, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moontanman Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 On 12/20/2022 at 1:07 AM, sanjibseo said: Everybody should respect their religion Which religion? I have none and I do not respect the religion of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MigL Posted December 27, 2022 Share Posted December 27, 2022 Most people should be able to differentiate between religious beliefs and fairy tales ( as INow states ), and some of the sentiments expressed by religion, like peace and good will for all, which can be worthy of respect. Religion is a human construct and as such, it has flaws which can be exploited by the unscrupulous to their advantage and the suffering of the many. But religion does have some redeeming qualities, like the sentiment mentioned above. Should we throw out the baby with the bathwater ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Externet Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Fear + ignorance = religion = that thing zillions of people pray about daily for the last 5000 years with zero point zero results nor a single response ever and will continue like that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dimreepr Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Externet said: Fear + ignorance = religion = that thing zillions of people pray about daily for the last 5000 years with zero point zero results nor a single response ever and will continue like that. Religion is like our favourite comedian, they make us laugh and feel better, and they all take the piss out of each other, which is funny; but wo betide the funny man that takes the piss out of our favourite comedian. Ricky Gervais is not the same as God, but in 5000 year's some people will still get the joke. Fear - joke = Ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistermack Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 22 hours ago, MigL said: Should we throw out the baby with the bathwater ? Yes. Hitler wasn't all bad. He made the trains run on time, built motorways and handy little air cooled cars, and kitted his troops out in some pretty snazzy uniforms. Unfortunately, he did have his little faults as well. So if someone had thrown him out with the bathwater when he was a baby, the world would be a bit nicer now. Religion is an obnoxious baby that grows bigger, takes over peoples minds, and becomes self-supporting by indoctrination, quite like Hitler. We can get the good bits of religion without the indoctrination of the next generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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