Why did God create this life?

[Intoscience]

On 11/4/2022 at 7:55 PM, Phi for All said:

Amazing patience this god must have to make it all look like it took billions of years when they could have whipped it up instantly!

To be fair "IF" god exists then I'm not sure we could assume this premise anyway. We have our experience of time, for all we know this could be all part of the model and not relevant to god.  

[Dis n Dat]

On 11/7/2022 at 9:44 PM, Arete said:

Virtually all human traits are evolutionary trade-offs between two deleterious states, which are usually environmentally dependent e.g.; 

• Higher birth weight increases infant survivability in environments with unpredictable resource allocation, but increases likelihood of mother/baby death during childbirth. 
• Increased immune function decreases the likelihood of infectious disease, but also increases inflammation susceptibility and reduces growth rates. 
• Twin births increase fecundity in high resource environments, but decrease fecundity in low resource environments. 
• Adaptations for enhanced cognition in humans increases susceptibility to both autism and schizophrenia. 
• Temporal trade-offs in resource allocation to reproduction and growth predispose humans to aging related disease and cancer later in life.
• etc and so on. 

Virtually every environment a population is adapting to is changing. This creates a lag between the present trait state and the present environment known as evolutionary mismatch e.g.,

• The thrifty gene hypothesis and increased rates of obesity/diabetes in Western society. 
• Sedentary lifestyles and osteoporosis.
• The hygiene hypothesis and increasing rates of autoimmune disease as microbial diversity in human environments is decreased. 
• The smoke alarm hypothesis and the prevalence of phobias and anxiety. 

Ergo, in many intrinsic ways human bodies are a inherently compromised. Unless one is using a very unconventional definition of perfection, the human organism cannot be described as perfect. 

Okay. So no one knows what this "perfect human being is". Correct? Then what is a human compared to when making claims about it's imperfections? Just a feeling? It's a slippery slope. 

Useless argument. It's an argument based on a made up premise. 

1. God doesnt exist.

2. If he exists I know how he should be.

It's nonsensical. 

[Arete]

20 minutes ago, Dis n Dat said:

Okay. So no one knows what this "perfect human being is". Correct? Then what is a human compared to when making claims about it's imperfections? Just a feeling? It's a slippery slope. 

Useless argument. It's an argument based on a made up premise. 

1. God doesnt exist.

2. If he exists I know how he should be.

It's nonsensical. 

1. It makes utterly no assumption about the existence of God. It is an argument completely and utterly ambivalent to the existence of a deity. 

2. It relies entirely on observed data, not "made up premises". Things about humans you can measure. 

3. It makes no assertion at to what so called "perfection" is.

Simply makes the empirical observation that trait state is almost always a compromise between two extremes. Therefore by definition, not perfect. Compromised. Do you need a picture? Clearly you need a picture: See, long necky giraffes are better at fighting, therefore worser at drinking. Short necky giraffes are worser at fighting and better at drinking. Middle necky giraffes are ok but not best at both. ALL TRAIT STATES ARE COMPROMISED. THERE IS NO PERFECT TRAIT STATE. YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE "PERFECT" GIRAFFE LOOKS LIKE TO DETERMINE THAT NO ONE NECKY GIRAFFE IS PERFECT. Sheesh. 

[Dis n Dat]

Just now, Arete said:

1. It makes utterly no assumption about the existence of God. It is an argument completely and utterly ambivalent to the existence of a deity. 

2. It relies entirely on observed data, not "made up premises". Things about humans you can measure. 

3. It makes no assertion at to what so called "perfection" is.

Simply makes the empirical observation that trait state is almost always a compromise between two extremes. Therefore by definition, not perfect. Compromised. Do you need a picture? Clearly you need a picture: See, long necky giraffes are better at fighting, therefore worser at drinking. Short necky giraffes are worser at fighting and better at drinking. Middle necky giraffes are ok but not best at both. ALL TRAIT STATES ARE COMPROMISED. THERE IS NO PERFECT TRAIT STATE. YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE "PERFECT" GIRAFFE LOOKS LIKE TO DETERMINE THAT NO ONE NECKY GIRAFFE IS PERFECT. Sheesh. 

Can you present the observed data on a perfect human being which God (you know should have been this way you think he should have been) should have created?

Thanks. 

[Arete]

25 minutes ago, Dis n Dat said:

Can you present the observed data on a perfect human being which God (you know should have been this way you think he should have been) should have created?

Thanks. 

 

27 minutes ago, Arete said:

YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE "PERFECT" GIRAFFE LOOKS LIKE TO DETERMINE THAT NO ONE NECKY GIRAFFE IS PERFECT. 

Edit: And there you go with abuse of the voting system. I'm always amused at how the "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you" Crowd turn into raging, belligerent, vindictive sphincters once their fee fees get hurt.  

Edited November 11, 2022 by Arete