Gees Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 On 8/27/2021 at 7:40 PM, studiot said: These statements were qualified eg 'can turn to crap' Before your statements were unqualified ie they were absolute, despite your protestation to the contrary. If valid, that means they must apply to all Science and All Philosophy. Bullshit. This idea of "valid" is ridiculous as it has little application to reality and none to truth. I suspect you would like to idealize reality and turn it into a model that fits your rules. (Plato is not the only one who has that problem.) The Plague is a highly contagious deadly disease -- truth. Some people when exposed to the Plague do not get it and/or do not die -- truth. Does that negate the Plague as a highly contagious deadly disease? Men grow beards -- truth. If a woman grows a beard does that invalidate her as a woman? I have no idea where your thoughts of "absolute" and counterexamples come from, but they are idealized nonsense. On 8/27/2021 at 7:40 PM, studiot said: Now I offered you a counterexample concerning concrete and you eventually say Whilst claiming there was no counterexample, instead of asking what I meant if you don't know a dammed thing about that subject. Is that good Philosophy or godd Science or what ? It is not good Philosophy and it is not good Science. It is piss poor communication, so I will apologize for my part in that very bad communication. On 8/27/2021 at 7:40 PM, studiot said: Now I actually made it quite as plain as I could that I was offering a counterexample by writing underneath the second quote of your work in this post However since you don't understand concrete (nothing wrong with that, there's lot's of things I don't understand) and also since you have ameliorated your original absolute statement to a more qualified status I will offer you a different counter example to both. For most of human history Astronomy and Astro navigation has rested on a false premise, yet functioned extremely well and continues to do so to this day, even after the premise was corrected by Copernicus. Science continues to work with the known-to-be-false premise of the astral sphere because it produces such accurate results so easily compared to the work of measuring or calculating the real situation. There are in fact many such known false models in daily use in Science for much the same reasons. So what you are saying is that a premise does not need to be true; it can be false as long as it works and does what we require of it. Philosophy is not therefore necessary. Congratulations studiot. Religion will be so happy, because I think you just validated "God". Gee -2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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