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6 hours ago, Holmes said:

The thread's title is about the existence of time, that's a profound question that must include perception.

We do not measure the passage of time, we instead make two observations and then an inference is drawn that time has passed.

Stop being so bloody obtuse. Yes we do indeed measure the passage/passing of time, which makes it real, like space and like spacetime.

6 hours ago, Holmes said:

I am arguing that that perceived time is real, it exists and is observed by the individual, the calculated elapsed time differs from what they perceive.

No, a perception is simply in the mind. It is the measurement of what time has passed that is real.

6 hours ago, Holmes said:

I don't know and neither does anyone else, there is no proof that anything exists other than self, cogito, ergo sum.

"There is no statement so absurd that no philosopher will make it".

Cicero, Marcus Tullius (106-43 BCE) Roman statesman. De Divinatione

6 hours ago, Holmes said:

I thought we were having a polite conversation, it seems not.

They are quotes that just happen to critique your nonsensical philosophical utterings, like the other just up there.

6 hours ago, Holmes said:

That's a philosophical claim not a scientific one.

"philosophy is to science as pornography is to sex".

Steve Jones

6 hours ago, Holmes said:

I think you are raising important questions, questions that go to the core of what science is.

Most of us without an agenda, know what science is, and the benefit of the scientific methodology. 

"Shall I refuse my dinner because I do not fully understand the process of digestion?"

Oliver Heaviside (1850-1925) English physicist.

7 hours ago, Holmes said:

Yes, observers in different Galilean frames perceive different intervals.

Which as I said earlier, literally means there is no universal "NOW". Time is real, as real as space, the question is as Sean Carroll said, is it fundamental

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40 minutes ago, beecee said:

Stop being so bloody obtuse. Yes we do indeed measure the passage/passing of time, which makes it real, like space and like spacetime.

Stop being so ignorant. Measuring something is to make a claim about reality it is not reality.

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No, a perception is simply in the mind. It is the measurement of what time has passed that is real.

More ignorance! everything you say or do begins in the mind, the mind is real.

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"There is no statement so absurd that no philosopher will make it".

Cicero, Marcus Tullius (106-43 BCE) Roman statesman. De Divinatione

They are quotes that just happen to critique your nonsensical philosophical utterings, like the other just up there.

Oh, so we're quote mining now are we? 

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"philosophy is to science as pornography is to sex".

Steve Jones

Steve Jones is ignorant.

Most of us without an agenda, know what science is, and the benefit of the scientific methodology. 

I don't think you do know, not at all, everything you say betrays ignorance. Science is rooted in unprovable beliefs if you do not understand that then you do not understand science and the limitations it has, so stop with the feigned erudition.

If you truly knew anything about science (and this extends to several other ignorant people here like IDontKNow) then you'd have the ability and confidence to attack what is said rather than who has said it.

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"Shall I refuse my dinner because I do not fully understand the process of digestion?"

Oliver Heaviside (1850-1925) English physicist.

Anyone named heavy-something would be well advised to gain some understanding of dieting, refusing a dinner once in a while might be good for him.

And so it goes on, the incessant attack upon the person not what the person says, you do know that this is how potentially good discussions descend into mindless bickering? of course you, but you don't care do you.

My responses are in red.

 

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5 minutes ago, Holmes said:

Stop being so ignorant. Measuring something is to make a claim about reality it is not reality.

Measuring time, and the fact that there is no universal "NOW", along with the fact that time is interchangeable with space, also supports the reality of time. Do you think space is real?

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3 minutes ago, beecee said:

Measuring time, and the fact that there is no universal "NOW", along with the fact that time is interchangeable with space, also supports the reality of time. Do you think space is real?

I'm done with this thread, the naivety and juvenility shown by some is quite ridiculous, claiming to know so much about science yet attacking a person or a person's integrity when he raises hard questions or forces you to explain your beliefs.

This is not science it is militant scientism.

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7 minutes ago, Holmes said:

More ignorance! everything you say or do begins in the mind, the mind is real.

No time is real, it doesn't depend on the mind. You kick the bucket tomorrow, and time will still carry on for the rest of us.

9 minutes ago, Holmes said:

Oh, so we're quote mining now are we? 

Well yeah, OK, quote mining from reputable people/scientists etc, that support the superior scientific methodology.

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Just now, beecee said:

No time is real, it doesn't depend on the mind. You kick the bucket tomorrow, and time will still carry on for the rest of us.

Well yeah, OK, quote mining from reputable people/scientists etc, that support the superior scientific methodology.

You don't know the first thing about science.

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17 minutes ago, Holmes said:

I don't think you do know, not at all, everything you say betrays ignorance. Science is rooted in unprovable beliefs if you do not understand that then you do not understand science and the limitations it has, so stop with the feigned erudition.

If you truly knew anything about science (and this extends to several other ignorant people here like IDontKNow) then you'd have the ability and confidence to attack what is said rather than who has said it.

And so it goes on, the incessant attack upon the person not what the person says, you do know that this is how potentially good discussions descend into mindless bickering? of course you, but you don't care do you.

My responses are in red.

What you say has been critiqued admirably by many, not particularly me as I aint a scientist. Stop playing the victim. Listen and learn. Science is actually rooted in common sense and logic, and its greatest crown is obviously that it can and does change with better, further observational data as time passes. This of course conflicts with what you are trying to mythically convey.

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I'm sorry, I just had to give this a +1

59 minutes ago, Holmes said:

"Shall I refuse my dinner because I do not fully understand the process of digestion?"

Oliver Heaviside (1850-1925) English physicist.

Anyone named heavy-something would be well advised to gain some understanding of dieting, refusing a dinner once in a while might be good for him.

Not that I approve of this type of discussion, but this is damned funny.

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48 minutes ago, Holmes said:

You don't know the first thing about science.

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Well, I think you know by now that's a personal attack, since it's clear you aren't supporting the statement with any rigor. Why don't you take a nice break, get something to eat, and get the chip off your shoulder. You're making all of this far too personal.

 
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