altaylar2000 Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) It is easy to see that since ancient times, the idea of emptiness has been introduced, and especially by religious ideologists. Atomists, Buddhists, and Christians, and in modern science, the reincarnation of Newtonianism in Einsteinism and quantum mechanics, introduced practically administratively, after the complete collapse of Newtonianism in the 19th century, and even by repressive measures. Why is this important to them? As far as I remember, Aristotle considered Newton's first law absurd, he used this argument as proof of the impossibility of emptiness, saying that if there was emptiness, then bodies would move endlessly Edited April 3, 2021 by altaylar2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 30 minutes ago, altaylar2000 said: As far as I remember, Aristotle considered Newton's first law absurd, Aristotle lived ~ 2000 years before Newton.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altaylar2000 Posted April 3, 2021 Author Share Posted April 3, 2021 Just now, Sensei said: Aristotle lived ~ 2000 years before Newton.. I mean formula itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 31 minutes ago, altaylar2000 said: used this argument as proof of the impossibility of emptiness, saying that if there was emptiness, then bodies would move endlessly Nonsense.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altaylar2000 Posted April 3, 2021 Author Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Sensei said: Nonsense.. "No one can say why it would rather stop here and not there? Therefore, it must either rest or move endlessly, unless something stronger is interfered with." This is translate of argument against emptiness, if you want you can find it on English version of Aristotel's phisics in canonically version, it's hard to me because I am not english-speaking Aristotle here uses proof by contradiction, saying that if there were emptiness of atomists there would be a law of inertia Edited April 3, 2021 by altaylar2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericchiriboga Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 Humans have an intuitive idea of what nothingness means, so it makes sense it would show up in philosophies and explanations. And I think you're equating a lot of different kinds of "nothings." "Nothing" in the atomic sense is much different than "nothing" in a Buddhist sense. It feels like you're trying to cram a lot of differently shaped pegs into one single hole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sensei Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 (edited) The "emptiness" in natural sciences is called vacuum. A vacuum is a state in which in some volume there is very small number of atoms. The perfect vacuum is only theoretical. Through cosmic space there are flying billions of particles e.g. photons and neutrinos per second. Without them, it would not possible to see distant stars. The inventor of the first vacuum pump, Otto von Guericke, disproved Aristotle hypothesis: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Guericke "With his experiments Guericke disproved the hypothesis of "horror vacui", that nature abhors a vacuum. Aristotle (e.g. in Physics IV 6–9) had argued against the existence of the void and his views commanded near-universal endorsement by philosophers and scientists up to the 17th century. Guericke showed that substances were not pulled by a vacuum, but were pushed by the pressure of the surrounding fluids.[5]" Edited April 3, 2021 by Sensei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altaylar2000 Posted April 3, 2021 Author Share Posted April 3, 2021 2 hours ago, Ericchiriboga said: Humans have an intuitive idea of what nothingness means, so it makes sense it would show up in philosophies and explanations. And I think you're equating a lot of different kinds of "nothings." "Nothing" in the atomic sense is much different than "nothing" in a Buddhist sense. It feels like you're trying to cram a lot of differently shaped pegs into one single hole. This "intuitive idea" arises from the erroneous everyday view of things, such as "an empty glass". The main difference, despite all the particulars of the interpretation of emptiness, is whether philosophers recognize the existence of emptiness or not, and not how each individual school interprets it. _________ Newton was a Christian preacher. Early Christianity was in many ways identical to Buddhism, they talked about samsara and about tolerance. The Christian cult of foolishness and monasticism is not much different from Buddhist and Jain ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted April 3, 2021 Share Posted April 3, 2021 4 hours ago, altaylar2000 said: As far as I remember, Aristotle considered Newton's first law absurd, he used this argument as proof of the impossibility of emptiness, saying that if there was emptiness, then bodies would move endlessly Aristotle was understandably wrong in some notions, due to the knowledge level of his time, but he was certainly not stupid. In particular he recognised the notion of a contradiction, which your statement is. If there are bodies, movable or otherwise, there cannot be emptiness as well without further qualification. Aristotle was also familiar with sponges, so he was familiar with the pores or spaces within a sponge, and whether they were empty or full or partly full of water. Why do you keep posting these ridiculous threads when you have been 'advised' not to by a Moderator ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altaylar2000 Posted April 3, 2021 Author Share Posted April 3, 2021 Just now, studiot said: he was certainly not stupid. Of course, because his ideas in the progressive 19th century were not thrown into the dustbin of history, unlike Newtonian scholasticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anand_Haqq Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 . There is no idea to emptiness ... . Emptiness is ... . Therefore, it cannot be reduced to an idea ... . Life is emptiness ... . And just out of emptiness; just out of nothingness ... existence can manifest itself ... to somethingness ... . There is ideas to somethingness, because just that which is not ... can be reduced to a mere, a simple idea ... . If you break the seed husk ... you'll just find nothingness ... . Then, this nothingness cannot be surrounded by ideas ... by pseudo-entities ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapatos Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Anand_Haqq said: Emptiness is ... That statement is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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