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Just now, swansont said:

No, I ignored it. I’ve only been addressing physics misconceptions.

Why do you even answer then? If you are not gonna answer the question? If anything in theory could be done to avoid this... 

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1 minute ago, empleat said:

Why do you even answer then? If you are not gonna answer the question? If anything in theory could be done to avoid this... 

I did answer questions. And I stayed silent on areas I don’t feel comfortable answering. You have more, higher-quality information than you did before, which should hypothetically get you closer to whatever answers you’re seeking, and somehow you’re blaming me for that help?

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1 minute ago, swansont said:

I did answer questions. And I stayed silent on areas I don’t feel comfortable answering. You have more, higher-quality information than you did before, which should hypothetically get you closer to whatever answers you’re seeking, and somehow you’re blaming me for that help?

I am not blaming you! Why do you think that? You misunderstood me whole time. Since not I am expert in Physics: I asked, if there is anything remotely, which can be done to avoid this. So  now you are saying, you don't feel comfortable answering this. I didn't mean su..... I meant, anything except that which can be done. So that mean there is nothing you know of? I am of course glad for answering other questions. Which alone doesn't answer fully my question.

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1 hour ago, empleat said:

If anything in theory could be done to avoid this... 

Humans are inconsequential on a universal scale.  An Aardvark has about the same chance of affect the course of the universe as we have.

Don't worry, be happy.

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3 minutes ago, Bufofrog said:

Humans are inconsequential on a universal scale.  An Aardvark has about the same chance of affect the course of the universe as we have.

Don't worry, be happy.

I wasn't talking changing things on the universal scale. If you could change yourself to energy e.g. which seems not possible. Perphaps you wouldn't have to experience time. Not sure if energy does. I was talking about things of sorts. I realize there is probably like 0.00000...% chance of escape. 

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7 minutes ago, empleat said:

If you could change yourself to energy e.g. which seems not possible.

I agree

7 minutes ago, empleat said:

Perphaps you wouldn't have to experience time.

Why in the world wouldn't you want to experience time?

9 minutes ago, empleat said:

I realize there is probably like 0.00000...% chance of escape. 

Escape what?

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1 minute ago, Bufofrog said:

Why in the world wouldn't you want to experience time?

To avoid the Eternal Return!

1 minute ago, Bufofrog said:

Escape what?

I guess you should read 1st post, but it is very depressive, you probably don't want to!

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15 minutes ago, empleat said:

To avoid the Eternal Return!

That's just something you made up.  

 

16 minutes ago, empleat said:

I guess you should read 1st post, but it is very depressive, you probably don't want to!

No problem, it is just more stuff you made up.  Making up stuff to worry about seems like a waste of time.  Sorry you are depressed, but I have been around enough depressed people to know this discussion will go no where.  You will feel better, it just takes time so hang in there.  Adios...

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1 minute ago, Bufofrog said:

That's just something you made up.  

 

No problem, it is just more stuff you made up.  Making up stuff to worry about seems like a waste of time.  Sorry you are depressed, but I have been around enough depressed people to know this discussion will go no where.  You will feel better, it just takes time so hang in there.  Adios...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_cyclic_cosmology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce

...

I did not made that up. Are you kidding? I said, we don't know if it is true, or not. It can be possibly true...

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7 hours ago, swansont said:

Nuclear binding energy is a deficit of energy - energy that has already been released. It increases in exothermic reactions. 

Also, energy does not hold things together. It’s the strong nuclear interaction (force) that holds nucleons together.

Of course! 

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2 hours ago, empleat said:

I said, we don't know if it is true, or not. It can be possibly true...

... and then you agonized about how to stop it because it's inevitable. Oh, and you pointed out several times how LOGICAL this all was. I don't think you think about what you write before you write it. That's how fear works, in a way.

3 hours ago, empleat said:

I am not blaming you! Why do you think that?

Because you wrote this:

3 hours ago, empleat said:

Why do you even answer then? If you are not gonna answer the question?

swansont corrected your physics misconceptions. It was YOUR JOB to relate that to your fears, not his. Why doesn't it make a difference to you that you've misunderstood so many things? Why do you persist on imaging the worst?

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Suck it up, buttercup !
You are going to die, along with the rest of the universe, in a 'heat death', where even protons have ( possibly ) decayed, and there is no more useable energy left for any processes to happen …

… In several billion billion billion billion years.

( and quit using the 'reveal' button, it's annoying )

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Basically the same thing you've been told on every other forum where you've been posting this for weeks... 

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2 minutes ago, iNow said:

Basically the same thing you've been told on every other forum where you've been posting this for weeks... 

Oh and now I am posting on other forums too? Only account I have on scienceforums - is this account. I registered since 2018 and I don't exactly post much here as you can see... Maybe I asked once/twice on chemicalforums about something and maybe I created account on scienceforums.com. I don't think I ever used it. And site said: account with this name not found! Now who is paranoid?

Woah someone else had same thought, it must be one person. Because thought is just wrong. Because I have Phd in physics and you don't therefore everything you say is wrong... Instead trying to have a constructive discussion...

I must say you are so arrogant! It is like in high school in here. I posted in other thread and one guy disagreed. So he went to my other thread instantly, while that topic was on top months... And from long discussion, he cherry picks one thing, which wasn't even incorrect. And catches me by my word... Seemed personal... Because science is largely social and about seeming reputation, instead of getting to truth. You find in history many brilliant people, which were arrogant and didn't care about truth! Only about their ego... Like Newton...

https://medium.com/@mtobis/who-decides-what-is-true-b6d9057489cd 

BTW free will is illusion you did nothing...

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Albert Einstein in Mein Glaubensbekenntnis (August 1932): "I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer's words: 'Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wants,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Schopenhauer

E.g. Inflation was criticized by co-author: https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/09/28/is-the-inflationary-universe-a-scientific-theory-not-anymore/?sh=581a72acb45e

He and other scientists called others uncritical believers! 

MigL: said: it will be heat death, while it is a most accepted theory. We don't know that on 100% !!! Now who is not logical?

Some astrophysicists - Ethan Siegel no-one heard about said: 

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No, Roger Penrose, We See No Evidence Of A ‘Universe Before The Big Bang’

 https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2020/10/08/no-roger-penrose-we-see-no-evidence-of-a-universe-before-the-big-bang/?sh=34d676bd7a0f

About which no one heard about BTW... Why would he even say this? Penrose can do what the heck he wants... And science should be not about mass opinion, but about finding the truth and logic and critical thinking, divergent thinking etc. Same science is not engaging in proof... So why would he have to stick to Inflation? If he thinks, there is a better explanation, or perhaps little variety wouldn't hurt. Who knows...

Einstein:

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"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein.

I am extremely logical person, while I don't have Phd from physics (never claimed so BTW). I see how things are! That is not to say I know everything, but I never claimed I do! I know enough, that I know: I don't know anything... But we simply don't know, if Eternal Return is true or not...

Someone else tells me that fear is behind my claims and it is not logical, while he didn't even read what I was saying... 

BTW I have Asperger, I don't include emotions into my thinking:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4532317/#:~:text=In typical individuals%2C alexithymia was,fear%2C disgust%2C and anger.

As example:

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Those with ASD did not rely on emotion judgments when judging moral acceptability

You are coping hard right now, perhaps even without realizing it... There are multiple studies, which linked positive illusions to well being and depression to seeing things more clearly. Even while depression can make people see the opposite. Depends on a person and situation!

https://aeon.co/essays/the-voice-of-sadness-is-censored-as-sick-what-if-its-sane

Also logical fallacy would be, just because I am much less knowledgeable at some areas, then you. Like it would mean, that a fact is not a fact... You are exactly type of people, which try to shun some argument based on something like that. I don't have to know everything about physics and still can be right in this case. Two things aren't exclusive. You don't need to be Einstein in physics, to know something from physics is x way. I bet people from other areas of science found out something from your area, you didn't know about...

You see: I don't give crap" about being true, or ego, or anything. Only about finding the truth! I didn't claim anything, except: that Eternal Return may be possible and we don't know that for a fact, that it is possible, or it is not!!! And that's literally it. And see how you acted? You showed your true colors...

You don't have to worry, I won't be posting here anyways, since it is just bunch of charlatans here... I don't agree, you bring out random accusations, or say it is fear. Instead of constructive discussion... I don't really even care. But seeing this simply leaves sore feeling in my mouth. And then people say: people with ASD are anti-social. But we see things closer to how they truly are and don't come to definitive conclusions, if we don't know it is true, or not... And because we understand human behavior in a theory and see what people do to each other... Not to say I blame you about every single thing. But part of scientific community is really like that!

So maybe listen to your fellow scientists, if they bring out a controversial theory, because at the end of a day, who cares if in scientific circles it is deemed correct/incorrect. Many people, which were slandered, showed to be correct later...

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Okie dokie

11 minutes ago, empleat said:

I have Asperger, I don't include emotions into my thinking:

The evidence rather strongly implies otherwise

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12 hours ago, empleat said:

but it is very depressive, you probably don't want to!

I have studied GR in some detail, so I am aware of all these possible scenarios; by personality I also tend to be a “natural worrier” who easily gets anxious even over minor things and life events. In addition, I am an Aspie too. Yet I feel no sense of depression, worry or anxiety over the possibility of a cyclical cosmology. Furthermore, you need to remember that the observational evidence we have at the moment is much more consistent with other global topologies, and not a cyclical universe.

I believe you when you say that you yourself might find such an idea depressing, but remember that this does not imply that others necessarily relate to the concept in the same way. Most of us here understand the notion of a cyclical cosmology well enough, but don’t find it depressing.

9 hours ago, empleat said:

I find that people often tend to miss the salient point of Schopenhauer’s philosophy - he did not advocate despair, depression, or absolute nihilism. The main point he was trying to make was about acceptance. It is strictly necessary to fully understand and acknowledge the inherent limitations of the human condition - such as the impossibility to permanently satisfy desires and craving, and the futility of constant strife towards some ideal utopia -, but then it is also necessary to accept them for what they are, and thus arrive at a position of peaceful coexistence with those limitations. Philosophical pessimism does not imply despair and meaninglessness.

And of course, philosophical pessimism is only one possible life philosophy, which is by no means shared by everyone. 

 

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7 hours ago, Markus Hanke said:

I find that people often tend to miss the salient point of Schopenhauer’s philosophy - he did not advocate despair, depression, or absolute nihilism. The main point he was trying to make was about acceptance. It is strictly necessary to fully understand and acknowledge the inherent limitations of the human condition - such as the impossibility to permanently satisfy desires and craving, and the futility of constant strife towards some ideal utopia -, but then it is also necessary to accept them for what they are, and thus arrive at a position of peaceful coexistence with those limitations. Philosophical pessimism does not imply despair and meaninglessness.

What a noble truth that is. QFT

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7 hours ago, Markus Hanke said:

I find that people often tend to miss the salient point of Schopenhauer’s philosophy - he did not advocate despair, depression, or absolute nihilism. The main point he was trying to make was about acceptance. It is strictly necessary to fully understand and acknowledge the inherent limitations of the human condition - such as the impossibility to permanently satisfy desires and craving, and the futility of constant strife towards some ideal utopia -, but then it is also necessary to accept them for what they are, and thus arrive at a position of peaceful coexistence with those limitations. Philosophical pessimism does not imply despair and meaninglessness.

And of course, philosophical pessimism is only one possible life philosophy, which is by no means shared by everyone.

If we can't forgive our brothers/sisters, how can we accept ourselves? 

Utopia is a place we can find, if only we can be content with who we are...

The perfect place is at peace with itself.

Most worms are happy to be worms...

I just wish I had your eloquence, Markus...

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11 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

I just wish I had your eloquence, Markus...

Oh, me too.

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We ALL wish you had his eloquence, Dim :)

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