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Ask yourself what happens to our atoms when we die, are they destroyed , because if atoms/ particles came from nothing isn't there a possibility of destroying atoms back into nothing? Part of Newton's laws is that energy can't be created nor destroyed so how does that support the Big Bang theory? How was energy created if their were particles/ atoms that have poteinal energy to create a charge @Bufofrog

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6 minutes ago, jday said:

Ask yourself what happens to our atoms when we die, are they destroyed , because if atoms/ particles came from nothing isn't there a possibility of destroying atoms back into nothing?

I of course did not say that atoms came from nothing, so your question is not germane.

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On 10/30/2021 at 1:11 PM, jday said:

I agree with you because "energy can't be created nor destroyed. I personally feel that the universe has so much more to tell and I personally believe that the Big Bang isn't the full story. Onto that you were stating atoms in my option have always been here. 

Pretty sure most cosmologists agree that the universe has much more to offer, and of course they also understand that the BB isn't the full story.

No atoms have not always been here. In the very early moments of the BB, temperatures and pressures were so great that atoms definitely could not exist. In fact it wasn't until around 380,000 years post BB before temperatures were such that electrons could combine with protons to form our first atoms of hydrogen and other light elements. Those same atomic nuclei could not form until 3 minutes post BB. And earlier times suggest that all that existed was space, time, and a superforce of all known forces combined into one. 

37 minutes ago, jday said:

Ask yourself what happens to our atoms when we die, are they destroyed , because if atoms/ particles came from nothing isn't there a possibility of destroying atoms back into nothing? Part of Newton's laws is that energy can't be created nor destroyed so how does that support the Big Bang theory? How was energy created if their were particles/ atoms that have poteinal energy to create a charge @Bufofrog

When we die, our atoms are changed into other stuff and recycled into the ecosystem.

The very first fundamentals were formed via E=Mc2, and as the superforce started to decouple (gravity first) as temperatures dropped due to the expansion of spacetime.

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1 hour ago, jday said:

Part of Newton's laws is that energy can't be created nor destroyed so how does that support the Big Bang theory?

You're hung up on the idea of something from nothing, which is not the case. And energy can take many forms without being "destroyed". The model for the BBT shows that nuclear energy wasn't possible until atoms were formed, allowing for the eventual production of stars.

When you die, cremation or decomposition releases stored up energy in your cells, and the bonds between the molecules are broken. Ash gets left over if this release is incomplete, and pieces of you that aren't eaten and converted to chemical energy break down in other ways. The various energies that are a property of your body never leave the system (universe) entirely. 

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In your previous statement you said that “nuclear energy wasn’t possible until atoms are formed allowing for the eventual production of stars” however the one thing that was present before the production of nuclear energy was atoms. If there wasn’t potential for Energy to transform into a nuclear energy there was something prior to that. My belief or theory here  is that from something there’s always endless possibilities to occur same relation into energy, from something transforms into something else. I hope this makes sense but going back to the nuclear energy, nuclear energy wasn’t able to transpire with out the potential to and with that potential energy there’s many outcomes to occur. 

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Here are two slides from Alan Guth's lecture 1 in the MIT class on Early Universe. He has explained there how something can come from nothing while obeying the energy conservation. Don't worry about his use of word "miracle". He uses its meaning as "a very amazing or unusual event, thing, or achievement" (Merriam-Webster)

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Even so wouldn’t you say that there is potential of energy and regardless of active or inactive the fact that there is “to be”,  is something rather than nothing. If the statement was zero and inevitably zero without any counter action to increase then that will conclude as nothing however if there’s a possibility of the nothing becoming something then there has always been a potential to something. @Genady

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3 minutes ago, jday said:

Even so wouldn’t you say that there is potential of energy and regardless of active or inactive the fact that there is “to be”,  is something rather than nothing. If the statement was zero and inevitably zero without any counter action to increase then that will conclude as nothing however if there’s a possibility of the nothing becoming something then there has always been a potential to something. @Genady

I do have some idea what 'nothing' and 'something' means, but I don't have any idea what is 'potential for /of /to something'. If you mean that it happened because it could happen, then it seems just circular, i.e. it could happen because it happened.

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