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Can Anything Be Relative to Empty Space?

Such as in Special Relativity, "example here."

But, in this question space would be "nothingness" the void or barrier beyond this universe, or maybe a black hole, "whom knows." I get this idea from particle entanglement.

And if we could do this, how would this change our technology?

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1 hour ago, pzkpfw said:

Do what?

Not sure, but I think it's
'jump to non-sensical conclusions when you don't even understand the concepts involved in your question' ?

CuriousOne does seem to do it a lot !

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3 hours ago, pzkpfw said:

Do what?

It was a polite way of asking "when a particle acts as a wave" does it exist in our phyiscal reality or another reality?

After all when it acts as a particle it acts as part of our physically observed reality.....There is a barrier in between.

I was refering to the mesurments problem...But I believe there are simpler ways to asking questions than the more technical standards, that seem to get no where, or is just fancy talk..

For example, Special and General Relativity was created for the Macro Universe....."chukkles"

 

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5 minutes ago, CuriosOne said:

when a particle acts as a wave" does it exist in our phyiscal reality or another reality?

Quantum particles act like particles in experiments set up to detect particle behavior.
And act like waves in experiments set up to detect wave behavior.

What other reality ?
 

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1 minute ago, MigL said:

Quantum particles act like particles in experiments set up to detect particle behavior.
And act like waves in experiments set up to detect wave behavior.

What other reality ?
 

I read that a particle can spontaneously change from particle to wave "when it felt like it."

The other realities or "universes" I speak of are the ones mentioned in QM..

And the Zeroth Theorem makes some mention about this....

Of which all relate to my OP, but I dont usually like to make things sound seductively technical, practical or common....Its just my nature..

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10 hours ago, CuriosOne said:

Can Anything Be Relative to Empty Space?

You need coordinate systems to say something is relative to something else. Empty space is not a coordinate system.

 

 

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11 hours ago, CuriosOne said:

Can Anything Be Relative to Empty Space?

Although swansont and others are technically correct in one sense,

In another sense, isn't that how a computer mouse works?

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43 minutes ago, studiot said:

Although swansont and others are technically correct in one sense,

In another sense, isn't that how a computer mouse works?

No. Your mouse maps onto your computer screen, which represents a coordinate system. You pick an origin when you start moving the mouse.  

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45 minutes ago, swansont said:

No. Your mouse maps onto your computer screen, which represents a coordinate system. You pick an origin when you start moving the mouse.  

 

Your mouse is obviously better trained than my mouse and equally obviously misinterprets what I said.

Shame.

:)

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12 hours ago, CuriosOne said:

 

Can Anything Be Relative to Empty Space?

 

Interesting... ask them about length contraction😃.

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Pick up your mouse, Studiot, and move it around in the air.
The pointer on your screen stays put.
It is obviously not moving relative to 'empty' space.
However, if you place it on a surface which reflects its LED light ( or turns its ball/wheels, depending on age ) it can gauge movement relative to that surface.
No training involved.

54 minutes ago, Lan Todak said:

Interesting... ask them about length contraction😃.

How can you tell if length is contracted in 'empty' space ?
Is the concept even valid for an object in an otherwise empty universe ?

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15 minutes ago, MigL said:

Pick up your mouse, Studiot, and move it around in the air.
The pointer on your screen stays put.
It is obviously not moving relative to 'empty' space.
However, if you place it on a surface which reflects its LED light ( or turns its ball/wheels, depending on age ) it can gauge movement relative to that surface.
No training involved.

How can you tell if length is contracted in 'empty' space ?
Is the concept even valid for an object in an otherwise empty universe ?

fazakerley

But the screen and its display are not the mouse.

And the mouse is very visibly (by other means) moving about in the air. (I am not distinguishing between air and empty space in this instance).

As a matter of interest I have a mouse for presentations that does not do this but still moves the pointer across the screen.

 

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What if you are wearing VR glasses and can't see the mouse, only the pointer ?

( don't know where this discussion is going, it's more interesting than the OP, but I have a feeling we'll be told to get back on track soon )

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I don't see why this is off topic.

It all depends upon the sense in which the ill defined OP was made.

For instance, since the OP refers to both 'anything' ie something and empty space the empty space must be limited in some way.
You cannot have 'anything' in empty space by definition.

You could have something in otherwise completely empty space.

Or you could have something surrounded by an extent of empty space

or...

 

This is a mind expanding question.

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5 hours ago, swansont said:

You need coordinate systems to say something is relative to something else. Empty space is not a coordinate system.

 

 

 I should have asked can anything be relative to it's own """volume"""...lololoo

5 hours ago, studiot said:

Although swansont and others are technically correct in one sense,

In another sense, isn't that how a computer mouse works?

Great point..And yes that's exactly how it works, but in a jagged way "not smooth motion"  ie latency issues, but hardly even noticeable..

 

4 hours ago, swansont said:

No. Your mouse maps onto your computer screen, which represents a coordinate system. You pick an origin when you start moving the mouse.  

But a mouse's motion is "jagged" like particles in a field with their own magnetic properties, pulling and tugging on each other with weak forces...

I get this idea from electron configuration, and a computer screen "must have one."

The Ideal Gas Law, is a vague example of this jagged motion behavior as pointing random vectors "fluid behavior" it gets the point across..

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3 hours ago, MigL said:

Pick up your mouse, Studiot, and move it around in the air.
The pointer on your screen stays put.
It is obviously not moving relative to 'empty' space.
However, if you place it on a surface which reflects its LED light ( or turns its ball/wheels, depending on age ) it can gauge movement relative to that surface.
No training involved.

How can you tell if length is contracted in 'empty' space ?
Is the concept even valid for an object in an otherwise empty universe ?

But isn't the universe still accellerating randomly since the Big Bang?

4 hours ago, Lan Todak said:

Interesting... ask them about length contraction😃.

 Or the measurement problem..🙂 

3 hours ago, MigL said:

What if you are wearing VR glasses and can't see the mouse, only the pointer ?

( don't know where this discussion is going, it's more interesting than the OP, but I have a feeling we'll be told to get back on track soon )

Then those VR glasses wouldn't serve as much insight if our light photons decide to act as particles then...

Is this correct thinking??

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5 hours ago, MigL said:

How can you tell if length is contracted in 'empty' space ?
Is the concept even valid for an object in an otherwise empty universe ?

When applying length contraction, we apply it to particles of that object but space between them must remain intact (if space mapping is just coordinate system).

2 hours ago, CuriosOne said:

Or the measurement problem..🙂

Yup... absolutely... 😉

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2 hours ago, CuriosOne said:

But isn't the universe still accellerating randomly since the Big Bang?

No, the universe is not accelerating randomly.

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51 minutes ago, zapatos said:

No, the universe is not accelerating randomly.

Really??? Why do planets have axil tilts??

Why do galaxies have angles?

"I REALY WANT TO KNOW PLEASE"

It would perhaps answer all my questions..Glad I posted this!

 

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The issue is your use of the word "random"

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1 hour ago, Lan Todak said:

When applying length contraction, we apply it to particles of that object but space between them must remain intact (if space mapping is just coordinate system)

So you are claiming that all those relativity calculations about spaceships travelling through 'empty space' are incorrect ?

Think again more carefully.

29 minutes ago, CuriosOne said:

Really??? Why do planets have axil tilts??

Why do galaxies have angles?

"I REALY WANT TO KNOW PLEASE"

It would perhaps answer all my questions..Glad I posted this!

 

Isn't that way off topic ?

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2 hours ago, Lan Todak said:

When applying length contraction, ...

When applying length contraction, we use relative speed between the 'moving' object and the one doing the measuring ( of speed and length, from a 'rest' frame ).
If there is no other object in the universe, what do you measure speed relative to ???

Why don't you and CuriousOne just PM each other this nonsense, instead of polluting the forum with misinformation ?

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1 hour ago, iNow said:

The issue is your use of the word "random"

Maybe this can clarify what I mean..

Random numbers, Fluid Motion, Air Molecules, all within a limit of possible outcomes, IE ""volume"" or---> space..

Do You Now Understand The OP??

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2 hours ago, Lan Todak said:
5 hours ago, CuriosOne said:

Or the measurement problem..🙂

Yup... absolutely... 😉

Do you guys even know what the measurement problem, as it relates to physics, is ?
It relates to wave function collapse …  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_problem
What exactly does that have to do with relativistic length contraction ?

Stop babbling incoherent, and off topic nonsense.

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