studiot Posted September 24, 2020 Author Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Prometheus said: I don't know about the GFA nearly enough to comment. My point is only that US diplomats can reasonably claim to have a stake in process. In a similar vein i believe the UK has a moral obligation to stand up for Hong Kong citizens against Chinese measures. China can rightly claim we are interfering in their politics - i don't see that is necessarily a bad thing. I agree with Studiot on this one. The Remain campaign should have opened with various Churchill quotes favouring European integration, even coining the term United States of Europe, and ended with an excerpt from one of England's great poets, John Donne: No man is an island, Entire of itself. Each is a piece of the continent, A part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less. What a good example of how two people with differing opinions can hold a respectful discssion. +1 Very poetic, Donne was a thoughtful man - did you ever come across the one about outward show ? Quote Donne The Undertaking But he who loveliness within Hath found, all outward loathes, For he who color loves, and skin, Loves but their oldest clothes. Poetry aside, one of my reasons for wanting to opt out of the EU is that I don't want my children or grandchildren to be involved in Europe's next war. I'm sorry to say the same old pressures are building up again. I would say the main reason that the remain campaign was so insipid was that they could not open with something like "The EU has been good for us because <long list of obvious benefits>" That's because we haven't had one. On the other foot, Leavers could have opened with their own list of proposed benefits, instead of playing the fear card. But they don't have the vision to offer any. The GFA is basically an agreement between two parties, those in Ulster and those Eire. They are the only ones who can directly 'break' the agreement. The rest of the parties involved are really bystanders since they are not actually present in the island of Ireland. In my view, the correct action for the UK government would be to take no action except to promote good relations. A border is not necessary. It currently works very well without one and would continue to do so if unhindered by the interference of outside parties and bystanders, most of whom regard the issue as ammunition in their dealings with other outside parties and bystanders. Edited September 24, 2020 by studiot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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